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re: Gen. Douglas MacArthur "dug out dug"
Posted on 6/15/15 at 3:56 pm to 777Tiger
Posted on 6/15/15 at 3:56 pm to 777Tiger
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I'm not a politician and don't know the intricasies of the day and time but those were some barbaric motherfrickers that deserved punishment imo
Yeah they were pretty fricked up, but looking at them now it seems like the prudent long term play.
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 3:57 pm to tigerpimpbot
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but looking at them now it seems like the prudent long term play.
I'm sure the Chinese see it that way too... and the Bataan survivors...
Posted on 6/15/15 at 4:02 pm to RickyDonSkaggs
General George S. Patton > the rest
This post was edited on 6/15/15 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 6/15/15 at 4:14 pm to LSUtigers111
quote:I would argue Bradley > Patton as a better overall general.
General George S. Patton > the rest
Purely as a warfighter, Patton has the edge. In overall generalship, it's Bradley.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 5:24 pm to Darth_Vader
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While I pointed out his loss of the air forces at his disposal in the Philippines was perhaps his biggest and most inexcusable failure. Even had he saved all his aircraft from the initial Japanese onslaught, the Philippines were still doomed.
Certainly doomed.
But that doesn't excuse the fact that all these birds were caught on the deck hours after Pearl Harbor. The first of "many" frick ups in his career.
He certainly wasn't in the same reality as most of us as his further campaigns in Korea (and the southwest pacific) showed.
He got a lot of good men killed because of his own vanity.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 5:28 pm to RickyDonSkaggs
He kicked arse in Korea. He wanted to continue and finish them off but everyone drug their feet and allowed the Chinese to reinforce North Korea.
He was only 30 miles from the Chinese border when he was ordered to stop.
He was only 30 miles from the Chinese border when he was ordered to stop.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 5:29 pm to bulldog95
Bradley as an overall big picture general
Patton as a screw it I'm kicking some arse general
Patton as a screw it I'm kicking some arse general
Posted on 6/15/15 at 5:31 pm to RickyDonSkaggs
You know about history what the victor wants you to believe
Posted on 6/15/15 at 5:36 pm to GarmischTiger
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would argue Bradley > Patton as a better overall general.
Purely as a warfighter, Patton has the edge. In overall generalship, it's Bradley.
Puller GOAT
Posted on 6/15/15 at 6:22 pm to RickyDonSkaggs
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He was a great thundering paradox of a man, noble and ignoble, inspiring and outrageous, arrogant and shy, the best of men and the worst of men, the most protean, most ridiculous, and most sublime. No more baffling, exasperating soldier ever wore a uniform. Flam- boyant, imperious, and apocalyptic, he carried the plumage of a flamingo, could not acknowledge errors, and tried to cover up his mistakes with sly, childish tricks. Yet he was also endowed with great personal charm, a will of iron, and a soaring intellect. Unquestionably he was the most gifted man- at- arms this nation has produced.
The opening of Manchester's biography of MacArthur.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 6:25 pm to LSUinMA
P.S. - OP is a moron. Same source as before:
Repeatedly he deliberately exposed himself to enemy snipers, first as a lieutenant in the Philippines shortly after the turn of the century, then as a captain in Mexico, and finally as a general in three great wars. At the age of seventy he ordered his pilot to fly him in an unarmed plane through Chinese flak over the length of the bleak Yalu. Nevertheless, his troops scorned him as “Dugout Doug.”
Repeatedly he deliberately exposed himself to enemy snipers, first as a lieutenant in the Philippines shortly after the turn of the century, then as a captain in Mexico, and finally as a general in three great wars. At the age of seventy he ordered his pilot to fly him in an unarmed plane through Chinese flak over the length of the bleak Yalu. Nevertheless, his troops scorned him as “Dugout Doug.”
Posted on 6/15/15 at 6:29 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Puller GOAT
Posted on 6/15/15 at 6:38 pm to RickyDonSkaggs
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Can we all agree the dugout Doug was a huge piece of shite. A coward and a traitor. I'm watching the pacific on history channel and was reminded of just how big a piece of shite dug out Doug was. Why in the hell do some people see him as a hero. Abandoning his men on Batan and all the Marines he sacrifice retaking a island that didnt have to be taken. He did it out of pure pride. Sacrificed fathers,brothers and husbands for his pride. Not to mention he put himself in for a MOH for his bull shite heroic actions. 7 silver stars and a arse load more of stolen valor medals. And for some reason he has a monument at his grave site honing his **** arse as some american hero.
So much fail here.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 6:42 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
I've always though Halsey acted stupidly.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 6:44 pm to elprez00
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I've always though Halsey acted stupidly.
Thee One Five, Mishter Ryan...Three One Five.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 7:27 pm to bulldog95
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He kicked arse in Korea. He wanted to continue and finish them off but everyone drug their feet and allowed the Chinese to reinforce North Korea.
He was only 30 miles from the Chinese border when he was ordered to stop.
Actually, he ignored his Intel telling him that the Chinese were about to enter the war in force. They sent expeditionary forces as early as late October 1950 which were meant as a warning not to get too close to the Yalu. Most historians believe that if they had stopped pushing northward after liberating Seoul, or even began peace negotiations after Pyeongyang, the Chinese would have stayed out of the conflict altogether.
Make no mistake, the Incheon landing was genious, especially given the fact that most of his inner circle advised against it for various reasons. However, he fricked up royally after that day both strategically and politically, given his unwavering support for Syngman Rhee. Men like Walker, Bradley, and Ridgway saved Korea in spite of MacArthur's blunders.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 7:28 pm to 777Tiger
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wasn't he an advocate for letting of the top Japs off easy as war criminals for the supposed sake of post war stability?
But made sure the generals who defeated him in battle were hanged as war criminals.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 7:32 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Purely as a warfighter, Patton has the edge. In overall generalship, it's Bradley. Puller GOAT
Patton and Puller were distant cousins.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 7:39 pm to LSUinMA
quote:...was a very good book and MacArthur was a fascinating man. An a-hole to be sure, but also a brilliant military commander. Japan would likely be a very different nation today without his leadership post WWII.
The opening of Manchester's biography of MacArthur.
Posted on 6/15/15 at 7:42 pm to RickyDonSkaggs
But he had style
This post was edited on 6/16/15 at 6:40 pm
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