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re: At least half of students defaulted or failed to pay down debt within 7 years

Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:24 pm to
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41819 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:24 pm to
Oh. Why do I always here about 7 year thing?

Must be redditor delusion
Posted by Patron Saint
Member since Jul 2013
4191 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:24 pm to
I just looked at the federal government website regarding loans. As far as I can tell, total and permanent disability only allows forgiveness of FFEL, Perkins loans, Ford Direct loans, and TEACH grants. I don't see anything saying that Stafford loans are eligible. Either way, you would have to meet the criteria for total and permanent disability, so if your condition has a prognosis of you being disabled for just a year or you are only partially disabled, you wouldn't qualify. For example, if you are undergoing chemotherapy and you can only work part time due to fatigue, but you're not totally and permanently disabled, your loan wouldn't be forgiven. In that case, you're financially better off being dead unless you have good disability insurance.
Posted by Sidicous
Middle of Nowhere
Member since Aug 2015
17127 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:27 pm to
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That's pretty funny.

Always wondered how the statue of limitations worked for the defaulters - after 7 years is all forgiven?


FedGov forget a debt? You should attend YogaGirl's psych eval too

Seriously though. Nope nope nope nope nope. Government Insured student loans (GSL) NEVER go away. There is no SOL on that debt. They start with letters, then add phone calls, then add legal warnings, then capture any/all tax refunds, then go after job earnings, then assets... They will not ever give up until debtor is dead and estate is determined to be all gone.

The FedGov is also not bound to only 25% wage garnishment. I knew of a couple in Nebraska being allowed $50/month total, no other cash, assets were allowed. They were about dead since they had chronic medical conditions too. FedGov has less cares than honey badger!
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84610 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:33 pm to
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Student loan debt is not dischargeable. I think that became law under Clinton or GWB, I can't remember.



The risk associated with letting students discharge debt would make it prohibitively expensive to offer the loans. That wouldn't be a bad thing, but it just highlights how poor the system is setup.
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
29365 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:33 pm to
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And stop federally subsidized student loans. Any chucklefrick with absolutely no credit history, assets, or income can borrow money for the purpose of college. College administrations fricking love this free money and it is the reason for the absurd inflation in attendance cost.

This right here folks. What incentive does a college have to control costs when they know the students will just take out loans that all but ensure they get paid? That's why F Kings little tirade infuriated me last year.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
39553 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:37 pm to
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We need a student loan forgiveness program. It is long overdue.


We already have student loan forgiveness programs.
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
29365 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:39 pm to
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A university isn't job training either

Exactly. But tell that to businesses that won't even look at you without the degree.

Want a good job? Go to college. Be able to produce. (But college isn't job training) Get an internship. (While good, how many interns are you really teaching procedures to for $15/hr).

So ask for training? You'll be called a lazy millennial. No motivation. (Lets also ignore that monthly Student Loan payment im making for the degree you said I have to have. )

It's a vicious cycle that's going to require a bunch of turnover at the top of industry and a good economy to reverse.
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18664 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:39 pm to
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We need a student loan forgiveness program. It is long overdue.


For undergrad, it's called the GI Bill. For many professional degrees, there are forgiveness programs if you work in an underserved area for a certain number of years after school.
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:44 pm to
How many foreclosures do we have?

Let's just forgive those loans!

How many vehicles are repoed every year and still owe money?

shite let's forgive that too!

No responsibility for anyone.
Posted by Sidicous
Middle of Nowhere
Member since Aug 2015
17127 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:52 pm to
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Oh. Why do I always here about 7 year thing?

Must be redditor delusion


7 years is a Credit Report Statute of Limitations (SOL). Except bankruptcy stays on credit reports 11 years.

As far as debt SOL, varies by state and type. There's a lot of websites with that info out there. The SOL starts from date of last payment, not the inception of the debt. That's why bill collectors will always take something, it keeps the clock reset.

Now that SOL is really only on the ability to get a court judgement to garnish wages or lien/seize assets. You'll still get calls/letters forever. They cannot sue, report to credit, after the SOL though..unless you pay something.

There's an endless secondary debt market. For pennies on the dollar owed, you can buy 20, 30, etc. year old debts as well as debts from yesterday. Newer debts cost more to buy to try to collect of course. That phone bill from 1972 that got lost in a relocation? Yep, it's still out there.

Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
35346 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 1:17 pm to
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What sucks is I pay 2k a month for my student loans. Have a good job and career in a place i love. However I make too much money for me to write off my loan interest . That's not fair at all for me to be successful and I can't write them off. This needs to be changed



So you borrowed money, bettered yourself, and want a tax deduction because of it?
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
52911 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 1:19 pm to
They should make all the gender studies libs go build the wall to pay back their school loans
Posted by The Levee
Bat Country
Member since Feb 2006
10678 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 1:28 pm to
Honestly,

I started taking out loans in 2006 because I worked throughout college...lost TOPS, and could not make payments during undergrad. I went on to pursue Teacher Certification and I had NO money saved to pay for it...nor would anyone help me...so I paid for it all with Student Loans.

I have about 60,000 in loans to pay back and I am just now at a comfortable stage in my life where I have started making payments...they have so many affordable options out there that I'm not worried at all. I just pay a small amount every month on auto-pay and dont even think about it.

Sometimes, we dont all get 6 figure jobs out of graduation and dont have mommy and daddy around to pay for things. I did it my way and on my own, and it's not breaking my bank.

Graduating undergrad in the 2008 recession had a LOT do do with my deferment of payments and I'm not the only one in my boat.

So do not be too quick to judge. I had a lot of lean years where I still have not gone on extravagant vacations and I still drive a 2007 GMC Sierra crap truck.
This post was edited on 2/22/17 at 1:38 pm
Posted by shotcaller1
Member since Oct 2014
7501 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 1:33 pm to
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So you borrowed money, bettered yourself, and want a tax deduction because of it?


he's more deserving of that tax credit than the whiners getting their debts forgiven
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37027 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 1:42 pm to
Without reading this whole thread, let me guess the comments:

1) A bunch of old people will bash millenials as lazy

2) A bunch of old people will bash millenials as just wanting a handout

3) A bunch of OT ballers will comments about how they pay cash.

The issue is simple. The rising costs of tuition require debt levels that cannot be serviced by the job earnings of most grads.

When earnings adjusted for inflation are flat, and tuition adjusted for inflation is up 5% a year, this is the end result.
Posted by Lawyered
The Sip
Member since Oct 2016
29243 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 1:45 pm to
The cutoff for being able to write off is about 80k. Why am I not allowed that deduction? I'm paying it off monthly and responsibly . I'm a single male/ no dependants. I pay plenty of taxes on top of my loan payments . This rule needs to be changed .
Posted by Azazello
Member since Sep 2011
3182 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 1:58 pm to
Having a college degree is the barrier to entry at the vast majority of jobs - including many where it absolutely shouldn't.

In order to be in any position of management in my company, you have to have a 4 year degree. Junior level managers absolutely don't need a college degree to complete the job, but they set it as a minimum in order to easily narrow the candidate pool.

Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
COINTELPRO Fan
Member since May 2012
55549 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 2:00 pm to
It actually hasn't been that bad. And thankfull it hasn't turned into a trade school or plumber circle jerk.
Posted by SaturdayTraditions
Down Seven Bridges Rd
Member since Sep 2015
3284 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 2:07 pm to
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Not shocking due to the time period- graduating 07 through say 2010 is just like asking to default even if you had a good career field unless you actually used all of your extensions and deferments.


I graduated 08, have never had a lapse in employment and have already paid off my $15k+ student loans...Since paying them off I am contributing the same amount of my payments into a retirement plan monthly.

It was a priority of mine.

A lot of my friends spend every extra dime they have traveling the world. While I admit, I have missed out on some trips, and fun experiences now, I feel like I have set myself up to be able to live comfortably in the future. Without waiting on a student loan forgiveness plan that may never come.
Posted by ForkEmDemons
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since May 2014
2235 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 2:12 pm to
Problem is that many people see the monthly payments and don't make any effort to reduce or develop a plan to repay their loan.

Multiple options available to repay your student loan and all are fairly simple and take minimal effort to apply for.

I used a student loan to get a Master's Degree. Have used various repayment options over the years. People have to make the effort and also have to realize that their will be a repayment process need to plan ahead for that.

Most repayment plans now have debt forgiveness after a set amount of years. Really no excuse not to take advantage of the plans in place.
This post was edited on 2/22/17 at 2:24 pm
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