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re: At least half of students defaulted or failed to pay down debt within 7 years

Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:29 am to
Posted by wfallstiger
Wichita Falls, Texas
Member since Jun 2006
11458 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:29 am to
FSAOperations@ed.gov I believe is the website which might be of helps
Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
23830 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:29 am to
How about we stop giving money to foreign countries for a year and just use that money to fix some of the stuff like this that is a problem in our own country?
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
66982 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:30 am to
Cut universities and a massive overhaul with trade schools.

For whatever reason this country collectively decided to shite on Blue color jobs like plumbers and electricians and force everyone to attend college and beyond.

I know plumbers and electricians without college degrees making more money than some kids out of law school 200k in debt or MBA school 100k in debt. There's no reason for that. Not everyone has to go to college and work in an office building.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
One State Solution
Member since May 2012
55673 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:34 am to
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sets a bad precedent
The precedent was set in 2008
Posted by oauron
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2011
14512 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:35 am to
In a country and work environment that has problems finding good candidates for open positions, often opting to recruit Asia and India, I'm not how making things worse for higher education would somehow help our not very well educated workforce.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
51296 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:36 am to
I think pushing the idea of the Gap Year would be a great thing.

Let high school grads spend a year or two in the real world before going to college. Maybe some of them will find alternatives to college that fits them, like blue collar work. However, the fact that many adults come out of college with a blank resume is just bad.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
One State Solution
Member since May 2012
55673 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:36 am to
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Cut at least half the Universities in the US and allow only the cream of the to attend while also getting rid of useless degree programs like gender studies and liberal arts
don't be an idiot. college isn't job training.
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:37 am to
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You can't take an entry level job making 40-50k if you have 20k a year loan payments which leads to all kind so other problems.



No one should have 20k/year in loan payments if they are making 40-50k. They can do 10 or 12% I believe
This post was edited on 2/22/17 at 10:41 am
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
55496 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:37 am to
I think that is what is implied by an overhaul. Why the frick do we not have apprenticeships and corporate training to fill positions of need instead of relying on a literal medieval guild system in the hopes that people learn skills related to the actual needs of the economy?
Posted by jefforize
Member since Feb 2008
44108 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:41 am to
the system here is designed to keep you poor and stupid so the "elites" remain in power, and the masses remain too dumb and poor to even consider that they are getting fricked.
Posted by Montezuma
Member since Apr 2013
3629 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:41 am to
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How do you go 7 years without paying and having anything happen to you?


My guess is they are paying income-driven repayment programs, but their salaries are so low, they are paying a penny or so worth of their principle, and the rest is paying the interest.
Posted by shotcaller1
Member since Oct 2014
7501 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:41 am to
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think pushing the idea of the Gap Year would be a great thing.


What is a kid straight out of hs going to do in the "real world"?

Other than continue to live at home to still have his mom do his laundry
Posted by Hammertime
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
Member since Jan 2012
43030 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:42 am to
Well, that number or more are underemployed, so it's not surprising. At a moderate standard of living, normal bills alone are $1500/mo.

I still have no idea why books cost so much. I had to pay $340 for a textbook once. Most books are $120 minimum. And now you have even in-state public tuition costing $15k/yr for only two semesters, and that's a lot of money.
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In a country and work environment that has problems finding good candidates for open positions
This is not true at all
This post was edited on 2/22/17 at 10:44 am
Posted by Patron Saint
Member since Jul 2013
4191 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:42 am to
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It's called death or permanent disability.


Actually, disability does not qualify you for loan forgiveness, only death. Even if you declare bankruptcy, your student loans aren't forgiven. That's why anyone with student loan debt should take out disability insurance as soon as they start making any money and are eligible to do so.
Posted by Patron Saint
Member since Jul 2013
4191 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:43 am to
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What's the process for doing that? I work for a nonprofit


Just google PSLF and you should find it. If you've refinanced your federal loans into private loans, you're ineligible. Only federal loans under an eligible repayment plan are able to be forgiven under PSLF.
Posted by whodatdude
Member since Feb 2011
1375 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:45 am to
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I think pushing the idea of the Gap Year would be a great thing.


I've pushed for this for years. TOPS even allows for students to take a year off after high school before enrolling in college.

People like myself would be substantially benefited by sitting out a year and figuring out what they want to do before starting college. Many students go straight into college because they're told they have to/should.

The only downside is that typically institutional scholarship offers are only good if you enroll in the semester immediately after graduation. But the types of students who could use a gap year typically don't qualify for scholarships anyway.
This post was edited on 2/22/17 at 10:48 am
Posted by whodatdude
Member since Feb 2011
1375 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:46 am to
Disability does qualify, but it has to be total and permanent disability.

LINK
Posted by shotcaller1
Member since Oct 2014
7501 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:48 am to
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Actually, disability does not qualify you for loan forgiveness, only death. Even if you declare bankruptcy, your student loans aren't forgiven. That's why anyone with student loan debt should take out disability insurance as soon as they start making any money and are eligible to do so.



That's not what I said. permanent disability is grounds for forgiveness/dismissal.

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A total and permanent disability (TPD) discharge relieves you from having to repay a William D. Ford Federal Direct Loan (Direct Loan) Program loan, Federal Family Education Loan (FFEL) Program loan, and/or Federal Perkins Loan (Perkins Loan) Program loan or complete a Teacher Education Assistance for College and Higher Education (TEACH) Grant service obligation on the basis of your total and permanent disability.


LINK
Posted by Montezuma
Member since Apr 2013
3629 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:48 am to
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Federal loan forgiveness already is a thing. It's called Public Service Loan Forgiveness, and you qualify if you work for a 501(c)(3) organization for 10 years and make 120 qualifying payments (monthly payments for 10 years). Once you make the 120 payments, the remainder of the loan is forgiven as long as you worked for a 501(c)(3) organization the entire time.


Federal government is also using this to entice recent grads as well. It has to be offered by the agency, and it is typically a negotiation enticer during hiring.
Posted by Seldom Seen
Member since Feb 2016
40255 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:48 am to
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Thoughts?




Not surprised. It was like that 20 years ago when I was in high school they were trying to convince everyone that they needed to go to college when the truth is college really isn't for most people.
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