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re: At least half of students defaulted or failed to pay down debt within 7 years

Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:49 am to
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
51270 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:49 am to
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What is a kid straight out of hs going to do in the "real world"?

Other than continue to live at home to still have his mom do his laundry


Volunteer, join AmeriCorps, do an internship, there are tons of programs out there that cost little to nothing.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20886 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:53 am to
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That being said cost of college is outrageous and it's growing rapidly. Something needs to be done and quickly.


It's not the college's fault for raising tuition with high demand. It's not like they care where the endless money comes from (the federal govt), and as long as it's not the students paying upfront, they won't care either.
Posted by shotcaller1
Member since Oct 2014
7501 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:53 am to
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Volunteer, join AmeriCorps, do an internship, there are tons of programs out there that cost little to nothing



Reasonable suggestions, in my eyes, would involve the kid moving out and learning to live on his own, even if that meant some help.

I know a few people who graduated college who didn't know how to pay rent, a phone bill, or what renters insurance is.

In order to make the gap year valuable, the kid needs to actually pick up a skill that will help him in life.

I think enlisting is appropriate, provided an exit strategy is in place
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20886 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:54 am to
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Volunteer, join AmeriCorps, do an internship, there are tons of programs out there that cost little to nothing


Or even better pick up a trade in high school. How many kids would be working instead of blowing endless money on future debt for a degree they will never use?
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20886 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:55 am to
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Don't be an idiot. college isn't job training.



Most lawyers, doctors, engineers, and accountants disagree with you.
Posted by Lawyered
The Sip
Member since Oct 2016
29277 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:55 am to
What sucks is I pay 2k a month for my student loans. Have a good job and career in a place i love. However I make too much money for me to write off my loan interest . That's not fair at all for me to be successful and I can't write them off. This needs to be changed
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
55446 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:57 am to
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What sucks is I pay 2k a month for my student loans.


Posted by Patron Saint
Member since Jul 2013
4191 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:57 am to
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That's not what I said. permanent disability is grounds for forgiveness/dismissal.

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A total and permanent disability (TPD) discharge relieves you from having to repay a William D. Ford Federal Direct Loan (Direct Loan) Program loan, Federal Family Education Loan (FFEL) Program loan, and/or Federal Perkins Loan (Perkins Loan) Program loan or complete a Teacher Education Assistance for College and Higher Education (TEACH) Grant service obligation on the basis of your total and permanent disability.


Sorry, I didn't know that. But that's only for certain types of loans, which I assume are mostly undergraduate loans. Federal direct unsudbsidized Stafford loans, which are what most students use for medical school or dental school (and I'm guessing most other grad school) loans, are not eligible for forgiveness due to disability, even permanent disability.
Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
Member since Jul 2014
21940 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:00 am to
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Federal direct unsudbsidized Stafford loans, which are what most students use for medical school or dental school (and I'm guessing most other grad school) loans, are not eligible for forgiveness due to disability, even permanent disability.


What about death?
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
51270 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:00 am to
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Or even better pick up a trade in high school.


Now high school is supposed to be the trade school?

Y'all keep pushing the clock back further and further on when a child is supposed to learn a trade.
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
55446 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:01 am to
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Y'all keep pushing the clock back further and further on when a child is supposed to learn a trade.



It should probably start happening around 13 or 14, in all honesty.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20886 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:03 am to
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Now high school is supposed to be the trade school?

Y'all keep pushing the clock back further and further on when a child is supposed to learn a trade.



What's so wrong with spending the last year of school geared toward learning a trade they will use when they get out? Hell you could even have it driven by industry demand.

Shop class was once a real thing.

Plus college shouldn't be an option for every breathing soul at 18.
This post was edited on 2/22/17 at 11:05 am
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
51270 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:04 am to
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It should probably start happening around 13 or 14, in all honesty.


Teach the child how to think through a liberal arts based education (lit, math, music, social sciences). Let the vocational training be only a part of the overall curriculum. After high school, the now-adult can decide whether or not to pursue a trade as a career.
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
55446 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:05 am to
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Teach the child how to think through a liberal arts based education (lit, math, music, social sciences)


Let's not pretend that this actually happens in high school.
Posted by shotcaller1
Member since Oct 2014
7501 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:06 am to
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Teach the child how to think through a liberal arts based education


Have your child follow this path, and then have fun supporting them until you die
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
51270 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:06 am to
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Have your child follow this path, and then have fun supporting them until you die


Teaching a child literature, math, geography, etc. in K-12 means that'll I'll be supporting him/her until I die?
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20886 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:07 am to
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Teach the child how to think through a liberal arts based education


This doesn't seem to be working at the college level- why would it work at a high school level?

And...

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After high school, the now-adult can decide whether or not to pursue a trade as a career.


Adult? these kids are practically forced to go to college and take on loans.
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:08 am to
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What sucks is I pay 2k a month for my student loans. Have a good job and career in a place i love. However I make too much money for me to write off my loan interest . That's not fair at all for me to be successful and I can't write them off. This needs to be changed



Yep.

I think I'm just going to refinance at this point
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
66982 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:09 am to
Shop class, home-ec, etcc are desperately needed
Posted by shotcaller1
Member since Oct 2014
7501 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:11 am to
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Teaching a child literature, math, geography, etc. in K-12 means that'll I'll be supporting him/her until I die?


We all learn the above through hs. When that's all you want your kid to study in college instead of engineering, business, or something that clearly leads to job placement in your intended field, then yes, you run the risk of them running up 30k in loans with a degree in gender studies and a minor in geography.
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