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re: Alvin Gentry is interviewing for a second time
Posted on 5/30/15 at 1:51 pm to tigerworkpart2
Posted on 5/30/15 at 1:51 pm to tigerworkpart2
if won-loss record is all you go by they would have already hired Scott brooks
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Posted on 5/30/15 at 2:06 pm to cgrand
I would rather Scott Brooks over a guy who has had head coaching jobs over the past 20 years and has won only 47% of his games. You're right he'll be really good here, pay no attention to the records.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 2:13 pm to tigerworkpart2
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You're right he'll be really good here, pay no attention to the records.
Yeah, it's funny some folks want to discount a HC's record yet that's how they keep or lose their jobs.
To quote the great philosopher, Bill Parcells:
“You are what your record says you are.”
Posted on 5/30/15 at 2:19 pm to adono
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To quote the great philosopher, Bill Parcells:
“You are what your record says you are.”
So Bill Belichick and Pete Carroll shouldn't have been given a second chance or in Carroll's case, a third chance? Seems they have been pretty successful when placed in better situations then their previous stops.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 2:25 pm to BigBrod81
What has Gentry done though? He's made his name on the offensive side of the ball with MVP caliber PGs running his attack. But let's say he could bring that here. So he's going to take our top 9 offense and make it top 3? I'm not saying that won't help, but Gyno already pointed it out, offense or defense doesn't win championships, being strong in both does.
With both JVG and Gentry it really will be about what assistants they can bring to the table to cover their weaknesses.
With both JVG and Gentry it really will be about what assistants they can bring to the table to cover their weaknesses.
This post was edited on 5/30/15 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 5/30/15 at 2:32 pm to BigBrod81
2nd Chance? He's had 3 chances as a head coach and fired from all three
Posted on 5/30/15 at 2:32 pm to BigBrod81
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So Bill Belichick and Pete Carroll shouldn't have been given a second chance or in Carroll's case, a third chance? Seems they have been pretty successful when placed in better situations then their previous stops.
Pete Carroll:
Had one season with the Bills and had a 6-10 record.
He didn't have a losing season at New England. In fact, he went to the AFC Championship Game and a playoff game in the 3 years he was there.
Belichick:
Was just plain bad at Cleveland.
For every Belichick, you a hundred guys like Gentry.
This post was edited on 5/30/15 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 5/30/15 at 2:32 pm to TigerinATL
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With both JVG and Gentry it really will be about what assistants they can bring to the table to cover their weaknesses.
I'm totally with you here. If you go back & read my previous post, I clearly say that this is the case as well. All I'm saying is that a Gentry hire shouldn't immediately be viewed as a complete failure in the coaching search, like many seem to believe.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 2:34 pm to TigerinATL
Getting a very good defensive assistant will be far easier than an offensive one.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 2:37 pm to BigBrod81
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All I'm saying is that a Gentry hire shouldn't immediately be viewed as a complete failure in the coaching search, like many seem to believe.
Right, being able to attrach a coach who won 47% of his games over a 12 year period is quite an accomplishment.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 2:39 pm to adono
Well Gentry brought a Suns to the WCF. My point is previous failures aren't always an indicator of the future.
Also, Carroll took over a pretty stacked team in New England that was originally put together by Parcells. Parcells has stated since that he regrets leaving the Patriots when he did because he felt he had put together a championship caliber team.
Also, Carroll took over a pretty stacked team in New England that was originally put together by Parcells. Parcells has stated since that he regrets leaving the Patriots when he did because he felt he had put together a championship caliber team.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 2:40 pm to LosLobos111
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Getting a very good defensive assistant will be far easier than an offensive one.
I don't want to take too much credit away from Monty, because there are lots of measures that suggest he was a good offensive coach, but for the most part we got that top 10 offensive rating based on talent, AD and Tyreke doing their things. We don't need the best offensive assistant, we just need a decent one given the freedom to focus the offense on the things they are good at. Although I'm honestly intrigued at how much Gentry could elevate the game of a healthy Jrue.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 2:42 pm to adono
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Right, being able to attrach a coach who won 47% of his games over a 12 year period is quite an accomplishment.
If Gentry's the coach then that means Loomis signed off on it too. I seriously doubt Loomis is going to make a decision he thinks will fail and he'll have to undo in a year or 2.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 2:50 pm to TigerinATL
Not sure if this adds to the discussion, but....
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Marc J. Spears ?@SpearsNBAYahoo 13m13 minutes ago
Former Nuggets head coach Brian Shaw, an Oakland native, attended Warriors' practice today.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 2:52 pm to HickfawJim1
He is on the list of potential Gentry assistants.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 2:53 pm to adono
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Right, being able to attrach a coach who won 47% of his games over a 12 year period is quite an accomplishment.
Then why even give rookie head coaches a chance? I mean they have never even won a game at all. Where you disappointed when the Saints hired Sean Payton? Would you consider his tenure a disappointment?
Posted on 5/30/15 at 2:57 pm to TigerinATL
The first question that comes to mind is if he's in line for an assistant position, is it with Gentry or to replace him?
Posted on 5/30/15 at 3:07 pm to HickfawJim1
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The first question that comes to mind is if he's in line for an assistant position, is it with Gentry or to replace him?
Good question. It could be neither though. He could there just to observe & get pointers. No matter what the sport, coaches learn from each other & share information all the time.
Before coming the Warriors coach, Steve Kerr had amassed tons of plays & coaching philosophies over his career. He kept detailed documentation on everything he gathered over the years to use when his first coaching opportunity came around.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 3:19 pm to BigBrod81
I could understand a rookie coach but a retread loser who had success one year. The rest of the time was losing or average years. I could see taking a chance on a younger assistant coach but Gentry has had chance after chance and he always gets fired. Why? Because they don't win.
Posted on 5/30/15 at 3:28 pm to TigerinATL
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I don't want to take too much credit away from Monty, because there are lots of measures that suggest he was a good offensive coach, but for the most part we got that top 10 offensive rating based on talent,
Yup. Any team with Davis should be a top 10 offense automatically, just like any team with LeBron, Durant, Curry, etc.
Lowe Post from yesterday has lots of stuff on Monty and Thibs.
LINK
Paul Flannery (Special Man article) gives some good insights into the Pelicans (both he and Lowe think Gentry is a great fit in NO but they also respect the hell out of Thibs + some thoughts about Davis as 4 or 5 down the line) and the ESPN Chicago Bulls beat guy has some good info on Thibs- particularly that players, off the record, told him they, while still respecting him, were growing weary of his demands.
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