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re: Alvin Gentry is interviewing for a second time

Posted on 5/30/15 at 11:39 am to
Posted by GynoSandberg
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Posted on 5/30/15 at 11:39 am to
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A 60 year old retread with a shitty HC record. I mean


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Michael McNamara ?@McNamara247 40m40 minutes ago

If you are arguing against Gentry because of record, I better hear you arguing FOR Brooks and Avery! #Consistency
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 5/30/15 at 11:43 am to
Unlike Aced, I can make more than one argument and consider context.

Gentry has 12 years as a HC , for one.
Posted by LosLobos111
Austere
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Posted on 5/30/15 at 11:43 am to
It's not as simple as head coaching record for sure.
Posted by ShamelessPel
Metairie
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 5/30/15 at 11:43 am to
I'm not sure how I feel. I know Demps gets a raw deal on here. Our offense over performed last year due to the sum of its individual parts. If anyone cares to disagree, I'd gladly debate. I saw a pick and roll/multi screen for one guy/hero ball offense. IF Gentry is the offensive mind he's portrayed to be and Jrue comes back healthy, that's plain scary. I would honestly rather run n gun with a real offense than bog it down with defense unless that coach is TT. I'm not as sold on JVG as some. I think it could potentially be a home run hire, but he's been so far out of the head coaching game it's worrisome. His ESPN commentary does very little to inspire confidence as well. You have to score in today's NBA. Look at the last 4 teams remaining. McHale kept Houston relevant thru injuries with offense. Even Pop has evolved over the years to a more offensive oriented system.

All those disjointed opinions in one long arse post aside, I would assume they told Gentry to find assistants and get back to us ASAP, hence the 2nd interview.
Posted by LosLobos111
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Posted on 5/30/15 at 11:45 am to
I'm not sure gentry would like asik or if he'll put up with tyreke.

Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 5/30/15 at 11:49 am to
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and Jrue comes back healthy, that's plain scary


Jrue's got a fairly decent shot, even off the dribble. If he's healthy and Gentry's the coach, he could have everyone forgetting about Noel/Payton. The real question is how he fixes the defense. I'm fully on the JVG Pain Train, but there is enough intriguing potential with Gentry that I'll give him a chance if he's the guy rather than assuming this is Demps valuing his power over the teams' success.
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 5/30/15 at 11:53 am to
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I'm fully on the JVG Pain Train, but there is enough intriguing potential with Gentry that I'll give him a chance if he's the guy rather than assuming this is Demps valuing his power over the teams' success.




Look, honestly, everything is a crapshoot. I'll be okay at this point with JVG, Thibs or Gentry.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 5/30/15 at 11:53 am to
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McHale kept Houston relevant thru injuries with offense. Even Pop has evolved over the years to a more offensive oriented system.
Well that's just not true. It was the Rockets' defense that kept them relevant. They really weren't that great of an offensive team this year. I think their offensive rating was 12th.

And the Spurs have a top 3 defense.

The Pelicans were in the top 10 in offense this year, but were 22nd in defense. That's where they need to improve.
This post was edited on 5/30/15 at 12:02 pm
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 5/30/15 at 12:03 pm to
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Wasn't that townshend?



Townsend is the sexual predator.

Daltrey tried to stop a show recently because people were smoking pot
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 5/30/15 at 12:06 pm to
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Oh idk got us in the playoffs with the changes he made.


Monty got us in the playoffs with his coaching ability.
Posted by BigBrod81
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Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 5/30/15 at 12:33 pm to
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You have to score in today's NBA. Look at the last 4 teams remaining.


This. I'm not saying JVG can't or won't but together a staff who can maximize the Pels offensive potential but it isn't a given either. Hard nosed defense isn't just going to lead a team out of the West, (look at Memphis) it’s going to take combination.

One thing to take away from Warriors success this season, is that Gentry's uptempo, motion offense can coexist with a high intensity defensive game plan.

Like previously stated in the thread by others, there are positives & negatives with either JVG or Gentry. I'm actually fine with either but I'm more enamored with whom both candidates would bring along as assistants. Truth be told, that is what eventually will make or break this hire either way in the long run, if these are the two it boils down to.

One last thing, the Warriors aren't going anywhere, anytime soon. The scariest part of that team, is that Klay Thompson is just scratching the surface of his potential. Curry is finally playing to his full potential. There have been times in the playoffs though, where Thompson has been passive & hesitant instead of being aggressive like he should. He has been aggressive in spurts but when understands when & where to pick his spots better, that combo will be even tougher to defend. It reminds me a lot of a early Scottie Pippen before the light actually came on for him in '91 with the Bulls.
Posted by BigBrod81
Houma
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 5/30/15 at 12:41 pm to
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The Pelicans were in the top 10 in offense this year


Sometimes numbers do lie. One of the biggest problems for the Pelicans last season was long droughts of stagnant, uncoordinated offense. Those droughts cost the team several games this past season. The offense at times was a turnover machine.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 5/30/15 at 12:42 pm to
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Legitimate Monty complaints were more pointed than his record sucks. Legitimate complaints with Gentry should be more pointed than his record sucks too


Of course people have more concrete examples of Monty's weaknesses, we have watched him coach our team for 5 seasons. Gentry coached teams to which we have no connection, so we haven't had the chance to nitpick his rotations or defensive system. That said, the only thing that matters to me is results, and his are no better than the coach we just fired.
Posted by adono
River Ridge
Member since Sep 2003
7307 posts
Posted on 5/30/15 at 12:42 pm to
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I'm on the JVG pain train and would also love atkinson/messina.


I'm 100% with you on this. Messina is a very intriguing candidate.; he might need another few seasons learning from the "Master" before jumping into a HC position. Don't know if the FO is in a position to take a big risk and hire someone with no NBA head coaching experience (which would eliminate a few other likely candidates).
JVG and Thibs (if he's still on the radar) would be the safest picks.

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Gentry has been a candidate for almost all of the head coaching jobs that have opened up in the past year.


And hasn't been hired by any of them. Again, it's kinda funny he's on any list. Like LosLobos said, maybe the GMs are just using him for info.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
71963 posts
Posted on 5/30/15 at 12:43 pm to
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You have to score in today's NBA. Look at the last 4 teams remaining.


3 out of the 4 had top 10 defenses

(1) GS
(6) HOU
(7) ATL

3 out of the 4 also had top 10 offenses

(2) GS
(4) CLE
(6) ATL

HOU was (12)




Looks like balance is the name of the game. NOP had the (9) offense in the league, (22) defense. One could argue we need a coach to hone in on the defense to bring a balanced team to fruition. Assuming everyone is still on the team and they bring Asik back, Holiday/AD23/Asik is a solid defensive trio to lay the groundwork for a successful push to becoming a better defensive team.
Posted by mm2316
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Member since Aug 2010
6942 posts
Posted on 5/30/15 at 12:51 pm to
Man, sometimes I find myself agreeing with McNamara, and then other times he says some really stupid shite.

I don't see how it's not possible to dislike Gentry becuase of his record, and still not like Brooks or Avery despite theirs.

The one thing that I agree with him on in regards to Gentry, is his hire depends on who he brings in on his staff. If he can recruit a big time defensive assitant, then I am more than ok with Gentry. But if he brings in another Randy Ayers, he can kick rocks.
Posted by adono
River Ridge
Member since Sep 2003
7307 posts
Posted on 5/30/15 at 12:51 pm to
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One could argue we need a coach to hone in on the defense to bring a balanced team to fruition. Assuming everyone is still on the team and they bring Asik back, Holiday/AD23/Asik is a solid defensive trio to lay the groundwork for a successful push to becoming a better defensive team.


Asik better perform on defense...it's all he has going for him

BTW, nice post!
Posted by adono
River Ridge
Member since Sep 2003
7307 posts
Posted on 5/30/15 at 1:42 pm to
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is his hire depends on who he brings in on his staff


You really don't hire a HC based upon who he might bring on as assistants. First, you're not 100% sure they'll actually come on board and, secondly, you never know long they'll stay.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61438 posts
Posted on 5/30/15 at 1:47 pm to
MM has written an article on Gentry's potential staff. It's pretty much a list of assistants who he has past ties to, but that's more than most of us know about right now. Honestly the list of names doesn't look that impressive or accomplished.He really would need to pull someone outside of his circle like a Malone (although I don't want Gentry + Malone because I think Malone wouldn't be here long). LINK /
Posted by tigerworkpart2
Member since May 2012
1006 posts
Posted on 5/30/15 at 1:50 pm to
Gentry is just a good assistant coach, his record as a head coach is just bad. The people on this board that want to see Gentry as the head coach are just delusional if they think he will prove to be any better than his record.
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