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re: BOIL has become predictable

Posted on 9/4/14 at 9:58 am to
Posted by Iowa Golfer
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Posted on 9/4/14 at 9:58 am to
^

What are you long in, and what is your average price? If you're long natural gas, predicated on entry price I bet you make money by January.
Posted by L S Usetheforce
Member since Jun 2004
22752 posts
Posted on 9/4/14 at 9:58 am to
Note I still own 2000 of kold at 37.50 and I will sell @51 if it drops.... But ill hold if not and use that profit to buy more ugaz if it trends down.
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 9/4/14 at 10:01 am to
Feb 40/48 bear put spread on KOLD.
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
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Posted on 9/4/14 at 10:03 am to
Options heaven today in natty gas etf and etn's.
Posted by Ole War Skule
North Shore
Member since Sep 2003
3409 posts
Posted on 9/4/14 at 10:08 am to
"What are you long in, and what is your average price?"

I've had UGAZ at 25.15 since 6/20/14, down 45%, lost so much now, I was just going to hold till spring and hope for the winter prices to bail me out.

I tripled my position yesterday at 14 hoping for a short term pop to get some of my losses back.

I know supplies have increased dramatically in last few years, but UGAZ seemed to have a pretty solid bottom around 14. I guessed everyone was selling to that support prior to the release this morning, and after the no-news release, it would pop for an 'easy' 10-20%.

WRONG

I've got a trailing % stop on the new shares and will hold the old ones till I get even or lose it all

ETA: My avg cost on all shares is now 17.34.

I generally have zero faith in chartists or technical analysis, but this seems a pretty solid bottom

This post was edited on 9/4/14 at 10:26 am
Posted by sneakytiger
Member since Oct 2007
2471 posts
Posted on 9/4/14 at 10:09 am to
Hub is trading at a 10 cent premium to the Oct contract, $3.95 vs. $3.85. I think we'll see futures test $3.60 by the end of the month.
Posted by sneakytiger
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 9/4/14 at 10:11 am to
What's looking cheap?
Posted by L S Usetheforce
Member since Jun 2004
22752 posts
Posted on 9/4/14 at 10:25 am to
I with you sneaky.........I took half of my risk out on kold and used the profit to buy ugaz.......I'm now hedging my profit.....I'll buy more ugaz if kold goes up and if not......I'll sell at my price point and make money on both sides.....

One question: WHY would anybody buy ugaz at 25.25?
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
10229 posts
Posted on 9/4/14 at 10:25 am to
IF HH is at $3.95 today, that's actually up a penny from yesterday's cash close.
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
10229 posts
Posted on 9/4/14 at 10:28 am to
ETA: My avg cost on all shares is now 17.34

You should be ok at $17.00. You just need to be disciplined. There's nothing for you to do on this trade now except for wait for winter weather. If I was you, I'd lose the trailing stop.
Posted by Ole War Skule
North Shore
Member since Sep 2003
3409 posts
Posted on 9/4/14 at 10:30 am to
quote:

WHY would anybody buy ugaz at 25.25?


same reason everyone else did at the time (june)...there was 'no way' reserves could be built to anything close to historical averages by winter and the price would rise like it did every other time....

it ain't over yet...I've got forever for the market to get things straight...
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
10229 posts
Posted on 9/4/14 at 10:34 am to
I bought back my $5 jan/feb calls, and went out long further. Probably not the bottom, but based on iv I'm longer than before this morning.
Posted by L S Usetheforce
Member since Jun 2004
22752 posts
Posted on 9/4/14 at 10:36 am to
quote:

same reason everyone else did at the time (june)...there was 'no way' reserves could be built to anything close to historical averages by winter and the price would rise like it did every other time


this whole thread stated the exact opposite though.
Posted by Ole War Skule
North Shore
Member since Sep 2003
3409 posts
Posted on 9/4/14 at 10:47 am to
quote:

this whole thread stated the exact opposite though.



thanks for rubbing it in...I read much of the thread as well as the opposite opinion from other sources...I wrongly decided that commodity supply and price projections would be more reliable from established professional sources than an LSU sports message board

I assumed that the horrible logic and advise I wallow through on OT and Rant somehow had relevance to the level of expertise on the MT board....big mistake
Posted by sneakytiger
Member since Oct 2007
2471 posts
Posted on 9/4/14 at 10:51 am to
Sorry, I'm a day behind. That's yesterday's close and I rounded up a penny
Posted by eng08
Member since Jan 2013
5997 posts
Posted on 9/4/14 at 10:54 am to
Still trying to decide on this

I did some excel estimating for the spring summer and would have made money on those trades. Now I am trying to figure out what's a good plan for the fall/winter.
Posted by sneakytiger
Member since Oct 2007
2471 posts
Posted on 9/4/14 at 11:08 am to
quote:

I assumed that the horrible logic and advise I wallow through on OT and Rant somehow had relevance to the level of expertise on the MT board....big mistake


Not horrible logic at all. There were a ton of analysts beating that drum on a daily basis over the summer. Think of it like the "it'll never get finished on time!!!" theme on the rant.
Posted by L S Usetheforce
Member since Jun 2004
22752 posts
Posted on 9/4/14 at 12:23 pm to
quote:

...I wrongly decided that commodity supply and price projections would be more reliable from established professional sources than an LSU sports message board


Terrible idea.......actually though, on that point since money talk has existed, I've been much more informed and made waaaaay better plays than before it........so although I take everybodys opinion with a grain of salt, I also use some of their input.......
This post was edited on 9/4/14 at 12:24 pm
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
35347 posts
Posted on 9/4/14 at 12:58 pm to
Wait, so everyone here is getting smoked?
This post was edited on 9/4/14 at 12:59 pm
Posted by L S Usetheforce
Member since Jun 2004
22752 posts
Posted on 9/4/14 at 1:01 pm to
quote:

Wait, so everyone here is getting smoked?


Not me.......I just cashed out a profit of almost 38G's
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