re: Let's hear from those complaining about the Miles "offensive philosophy"

Russell and Flynn joined the Tigers in 2003 under Nick Saban. Two years in the system before Miles in 2005. I absolutely hate mentioning this fact, because others abuse it. I would say Miles contributed to their successes, but is not the developer.

Perriloux--- Coulda, shoulda, woulda. Almost every QB under Miles' tenure has been decorated with stars. Bringing Perriloux up is a moot point. Fact is, we never got to really see him flourish. He possibly could be an exception, but it doesn't help your cause to bring him up.

Lee- so I say he was decent or ok. Well...would you argue that Les' handling of his tenure was perfect? Did Les really do him any justice in his development? I liked the kid. You are shooting yourself in the foot if you use him as an example of Les capitalizing on his skills as a QB developer.

Mettenberger was skilled at QB before his entrance at LSU. He went to Georgia (where they have a good history of developing QBs). He was in very intense QB competition with Aaron Murray for a starting position, next he led his JUCO team to a National Championship before transferring to LSU. What are you trying to say here? That Les was such a good QB developer that he erased Mettenberger's previous achievements and re-wrote the book? The passing game in 2011 and 2012 was a success in spite of Les' offensive philosophy. Do you not remember how Cam opened things up because of Mettenberger/Landry/Beckham's capabilities?

Your argument is that Les' offensive strategy of I-formation, run run run is effective and all that is needed. Or am I mistaken?

Don't get me wrong, Les Miles is a good coach and a great ambassador. He has MANY strengths. A testament to his effectiveness can be freshened in my mind every time I look at Will Muschamp. Les has been very effective at LSU. But he has not proven to be a great developer of the QB position and is not a brilliant Xs and Os guy.

I don't believe his has to be 100%, hands-down an offensive genius, and I am EXTREMELY happy how we controlled Ole Miss. I would simply argue, that I hope Jennings and Harris can progress and be developed, and frankly, helped out from time to time with some play calling. It's essential that we develop a credible passing threat, so BUGA can thrive easily.

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And both of those guys had QBs on those teams making starts in the NFL this week.

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Ok, and isn't it the case they all of our WR's since '11 are in the NFL? They had talent. We have talent. We had a 1st rd QB once with two 1st rd WR's and we scored . . . 3 pts in game.

AGENT225, I would agree that it wasn't OPEN, but passing effectiveness was a strength for us during a time span where that hadn't previously been the case. Miles was more comfortable letting these skilled guys do their thing. I understand this year's team is young, and we may very well have reloaded very well in the WR position.

The point of the OP was to call out people who criticized Miles' O philosophy. I feel sometimes that everyone that has a criticism has been labeled as a turncoat on this board. We have a successful game against Ole Miss that I'm sure all people (Miles fans or not) love. Pointing out areas where our coach has issues, doesn't necessarily mean that the person doing so is negating ALL of his strengths and accomplishments. I think a good many folks just want to see a hair more balance and get frustrated losing at home to Moo State and getting blown out by Auburn. Ya feel me?

There is more to FB coaching than to simply go out and play to the strengths and abilities of personnel. Coaching is not solely utilitarian. The very definition of the word suggests otherwise.

There are a host of areas that fall within the realm of coaching: recruiting, leading, scheming Xs and Os just to name a few.

The QB position is the single most important position on the field, for a host of reasons.

I'm not arguing to pass for the sake of passing. Don't twist things.

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I would say Miles contributed to their successes, but is not the developer

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semantics. miles put them in position to start and be successful

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Perriloux--- Coulda, shoulda, woulda.

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? you must have missed the seccg. miles got him there.

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You are shooting yourself in the foot if you use him as an example of Les capitalizing on his skills as a QB developer

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totally wrong. look at lee '08 and '11. totally different players.

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Mettenberger was skilled at QB before his entrance at LSU

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my gosh you people will say anything to disparage miles. look at mett '12 vs '13. objectively, clearly, obviously better.

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Your argument is that Les' offensive strategy of I-formation, run run run is effective and all that is needed. Or am I mistaken?

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check my post history. my point all along has been that miles mitigates risk on offense vs defense and special teams. sometimes that looks like '13, sometimes it looks like 2010.

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But he has not proven to be a great developer of the QB position

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wrong. i have provided examples that objectively show that he has.

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not a brilliant Xs and Os guy.

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you're saying the sec sucks if a buffoon can just throw some guys on the field and beat the best for 9 years.

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But it was disingenuous since Auburn has won it 2X since '08

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i disagree because you are omitting that miles has avoided the pitfalls that auburn, et al, have had.

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As for Mack and Chizik, again if there's something special about "appearing" in a NCG since '08 (as your post suggests) then they accomplished this as well

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again, this is about pitfalls. yes, auburn caught lightning in a bottle. yes texas had a nc. but also look at their lows. miles has been more consistent which is more impressive.

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You're also underselliing Malzahn. If Auburn had a losing season in '12 (as they did), doesn't this make his body of work even more impressive?

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let's see him accomplish half of what miles has done before we put him in miles' category

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his post-'08 O-philosophy

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you mean like '13

We scored 10 points, not exactly offensive juggernaut.

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There is more to FB coaching than to simply go out and play to the strengths and abilities of personnel. Coaching is not solely utilitarian. The very definition of the word suggests otherwise. There are a host of areas that fall within the realm of coaching: recruiting, leading, scheming Xs and Os just to name a few.

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This is done and you make no real point.

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The QB position is the single most important position on the field, for a host of reasons.

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????? No shite.
You and many others problem is you think you know the answers more than the staff that works with these guys 20hrs a week.

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I'm not arguing to pass for the sake of passing. Don't twist things.

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You and others complain about the way the offense is run instead od accepting reality.

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Russell, Flynn both did not receive the fundamentals of QB position from Miles.

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Yeah, that's why they started so many games under Saban.
Back to Miles has coached a few positons, but don't recall QB being one.

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Perriloux -- not a strong example for your argument. Not enough to go on here.

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Way to discredit to try and validate your misconceptions.

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Lee was decent.

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Until under pressure and disguised covers. His counterpart actually exceeded just about every one of his career stats. Not partisan, just fact.

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Mett was prepped at another school.

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Another QB added to"developed elsewhere"? So Mett was all world in '11 and '12? None of these mentioned were good enough to start when arrived, so GTFO.

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When it works, its awesome

When it doesn't, it looks god awful

Basically like anything

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this! and this is what drives me nuts about the "predictability" of the playcalling. God forbid a run gets stopped and people freak the shite out.

Sure LSU runs a whole lot, but there are wrinkles that most don't see. For example, the option play against bama in OT in 2011...we had not run a play like that all night (and it was to the short side btw). The coaches basically left Ford naked to the sideline with only the FB in front (no TE blocking on the short side), but he still got through.

I love how I praise coach for being an effective coach and succeeding at many aspects of the game, yet point a criticism at one aspect or pitfall, and I'm a negatiger, a hater, and a rantard with a low FB IQ.

To defend his ability at the development of the QB position and almost present it as a strength goes in the face of almost every objective fan of college football. It's delusional. I don't even think Miles would label as one of his strengths as a coach. This by no means makes him a bad coach. I agree that mitigating mistakes is a wise move, and would never argue otherwise. You do what you have to do to win. I simply believe there is an easier way to win that going 9 yards over 7 carries LINK

Or running the ball 3 times in a series over and over and over. I prefer the run, and I think most LSU fans do. I think the pass opens up the running game. I am simply hoping and stating (once again-for those who ignore the over-arching comment I'm making, and choose to show no common ground) that this round of QBs should/can be developed a little quicker/better, and coach needs to call plays that help them. We can be a little predictable at times. I'm not arguing pass for the sake of passing, I'm arguing pass for the sake of a dominant run game. I saw improvement against Ole Miss, but there is still a way to go. As you said, this staff spends "20 hours a week" at it and we still are sputtering on offense. Accepting reality? Why don't you accept reality that Miles' offense could be improved with more QB development, and that it is not a strength of Miles' tenure. Russell/Flynn spent 2 years under different leadership, to negate that fact in their development is a little ignorant. As is the same story for Mettenberger.

Not expecting Miles to come out with a magic wand and have an "all world" QB. I do however, think there is more that could be done, as we are halfway through the year.