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re: Let's hear from those complaining about the Miles "offensive philosophy"
Posted on 10/27/14 at 5:36 pm to Football_Freak
Posted on 10/27/14 at 5:36 pm to Football_Freak
I agree.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 7:39 pm to AirborneJonnyA
only the Mississippi State game was horrible if LSU would had just a few more mnutes they would of beat miss st !
Posted on 10/27/14 at 7:47 pm to NorthTiger
The man called out the stupids and yall are raising your hands !
Posted on 10/27/14 at 7:59 pm to NorthTiger
The man called out the stupids and yall are raising your hands !
Posted on 10/27/14 at 8:21 pm to CptBengal
quote:you're right. miles is stupid. the sec is WAY overrated. much easier to win it than anyone realizes. heck, even miles can win a bunch of games in this league
He knew the defense would step up and overcome those 4 turnovers so it didn't matter that nearly 13% of our pass attempts were intercepted. Just amazing coaching to realize that going in!
Posted on 10/27/14 at 8:24 pm to Football_Freak
quote:"style" had nothing to do with losing to state. it had to do with the timing of the game and how many returning starters they had.
Against Miss State, not so much, as they have NFL size DT's
but you're right about ole miss. if miles had more "balance" like negas want, they would have FREAKED OUT that he wasn't running the ball more. they constantly shift the goalposts and will only be happy when miles is gone.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 8:29 pm to bfniii
Now the complaint is we only scored 10. Staying on topic, us "only" scoring 10 had everything to do with our putrid offensive philosophy and nothing to do with turnovers or a missed FG.
You guys must have been livid when we only put 9 on the board in the 2011 win over Bama.
You guys must have been livid when we only put 9 on the board in the 2011 win over Bama.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 8:31 pm to marklsu
quote:I have already pointed out that teams that run an alternative offense strategy are not winning more than miles over any time period except for the last few games.
I simply believe there is an easier way to win that going 9 yards over 7 carries
negas - you have no idea if having more offense "balance" would win more games.
quote:how can you watch last season with mett slinging it all over the place and think the coaches aren't already striving for better?
there is still a way to go
quote:you think they don't know this? miles has already completely forgotten what it's like to throw for 3k yards
Miles' offense could be improved with more QB development
quote:I've already shown this to be false.
that it is not a strength of Miles' tenure
quote:miles called the plays. miles ran practice. miles reviewed game film. your statement is just plain ignorant.
Russell/Flynn spent 2 years under different leadership
quote:once again, see above
As is the same story for Mettenberger.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 8:38 pm to AlwysATgr
quote:Georgia, auburn and fla have had LOSING SEASONS. ark and ten are OFF THE MAP. for all their money, a&m SUCKS. spurrier is having a rough season. that's half the sec, half of those are traditional sec powers.
Nothing about "pitfalls."
now talk to me about pitfalls.
quote:this has got to be one of the most ignorant posts of all time. DID YOU SEE THEIR LAST 2 REGULAR SEASON GAMES. they were 2 miraculous plays from being above average in the sec west. KANSAS ST beat them all up and down the field in every way, shape and form except for the scoreboard. malzahn has potential but, let's see him keep it up for another 8 seasons.
So you think Malzahn "caught lightning in a bottle" last year? The guy inherited a team that just went 3-9 and 0-8 in the SEC. Dismissing what Auburn accomplished last year is less than sober.
quote:support
And FTR, since '08 he's already matched Les's accomplishments
quote:what in the heck is this even supposed to mean? oh he went into a shell for offense strategy. 2013 didn't really happen
I'm not the only one who thinks Les underwent a paradigm shift on O after '08
This post was edited on 10/27/14 at 8:43 pm
Posted on 10/27/14 at 8:41 pm to NorthTiger
quote:yep. constantly shifting goalposts.
Now the complaint is we only scored 10
after 2011, the meme shifted to "we should have won more championships." as if that can be substantiated in any way. after last season - lsu didn't REALLY throw the ball that much. they were just EFFICIENT. good grief you people are incorrigible
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:43 pm to bfniii
I've accepted this seasons philosophy is out of necessity because LSU doesn't have a QB who can consistently throw the ball. The offensive line and the defense look improved, maybe this style will be effective from here on out.
It was a real issue until two games ago but some aspects of this team improved making it less problematic. Pray for ow scoring games though
It was a real issue until two games ago but some aspects of this team improved making it less problematic. Pray for ow scoring games though
This post was edited on 10/27/14 at 9:44 pm
Posted on 10/27/14 at 9:59 pm to CptBengal
quote:This is coming from a poster (sic) who has repetively presented graphs about the problems with a high% running game.
13% of our pass attempts were intercepted
Posted on 10/27/14 at 10:31 pm to bfniii
You're acting like I'm expecting a pass on every down. The only reason we had a remote chance in the Moo game was through Harris' efforts through the air. Each game is different. A balanced approach will be needed against Bama. 2 weeks to prepare. Hopefully they will work hard on a couple high percentage passing plays to throw in.
Hell, they are even running a spread package in Bama on occasion. It just gives the running game a boost so defenses don't key in. Plenty of teams who pass a little more than us are finding success. Georgia, Ole Miss, Bama, Moo State, Auburn, Florida State, Oregon, and anyone that doesn't have 2 losses.
I am not so negative, like others on here, that think Miles is clueless and lucky and not thinking things through. I like him as our coach. There are aspects of the game that show he coaches well and adjusts: offensive line improvements , rushing improvements, special team improvements, defense improvements. These have all been corrected at a much faster pace. QB hasn't improved like those
The philosophy of being a control the line of scrimmage, run-base, power, strong D team is something I totally want and support. But I just want to be able to sling it when we need to. I think we have the talent, but since it's lagging other areas and there isn't a strong history of development of the QB position from the college, entry-level base by Miles...it concerns me and I criticize that one aspect most.
Hell, they are even running a spread package in Bama on occasion. It just gives the running game a boost so defenses don't key in. Plenty of teams who pass a little more than us are finding success. Georgia, Ole Miss, Bama, Moo State, Auburn, Florida State, Oregon, and anyone that doesn't have 2 losses.
I am not so negative, like others on here, that think Miles is clueless and lucky and not thinking things through. I like him as our coach. There are aspects of the game that show he coaches well and adjusts: offensive line improvements , rushing improvements, special team improvements, defense improvements. These have all been corrected at a much faster pace. QB hasn't improved like those
The philosophy of being a control the line of scrimmage, run-base, power, strong D team is something I totally want and support. But I just want to be able to sling it when we need to. I think we have the talent, but since it's lagging other areas and there isn't a strong history of development of the QB position from the college, entry-level base by Miles...it concerns me and I criticize that one aspect most.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 10:42 pm to bfniii
quote:
now talk to me about pitfalls.
I'll be more than happy to discuss "pitfalls" someday. As for this thread, I was responding to your claim regarding since '08: a) only Saban has won more than Les and b) that we even played in a BSCCG.
Again, it's a bit disingenuous to state that Saban only has won more than Les when both Auburn and Bama have won 2 SEC titles since '08. That's two schools, not just one. Got it?
And if playing in the BCSCG is a big deal as your post suggests, can you give equal credit to Mack and Chizik since they too can lay claim to 'been there, done that'?
quote:
this has got to be one of the most ignorant posts of all time. DID YOU SEE THEIR LAST 2 REGULAR SEASON GAMES. they were 2 miraculous plays from being above average in the sec west. KANSAS ST beat them all up and down the field in every way, shape and form except for the scoreboard. malzahn has potential but, let's see him keep it up for another 8 seasons.
Ok, let's follow this through. They lose to UGA and Bama. That would make them 5-3 in the SEC. Same as us last year. Why is it so hard to give credit where credit is due? Spurrier himself (pretty good authority) says Malzahn is one of the best coaches in the game today.
And K-State didn't "beat them all up and down the field in every way, shape and form except for the scoreboard."
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https://www.auburntigers.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2014-2015/au03.html)]AU-KSU '14 Box Score[/link]
quote:
2013 didn't really happen
'13 happened alright. But that's the exception. And the pre-conditions for that recurring aren't every season things. And by your definition we were only average in the SECW last year.
If you don't believe me regarding the more conservative approach to O post-'08, call 225-499-9898 at 12:30 AM on 11/9/14 and ask Charlie to fill you in. He'll 'splain it much better than I ever could.
Les is a great coach in a myriad of ways. But he went too conservative after '08 and he needs to adjust course some. He's done it before. Here's hoping he'll do it again.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:28 am to marklsu
quote:i'm talking about the incessant 2nd guessing which i have addressed multiple times in multiple threads. no one can prove that doing something differently is going to make things better. in the meantime, miles continues to keep his team at the top of the toughest conference while avoiding the pitfalls that other teams have gone through.
marklsu
quote:first, the season isn't over. 2nd, go back before this season and those teams aren't better and in some cases worse. third, state has an unusual situation this seasons which will change drastically next season so they aren't a good example. fl state and oregon have easier sos so they're not good examples.
Georgia, Ole Miss, Bama, Moo State, Auburn, Florida State, Oregon, and anyone that doesn't have 2 losses.
quote:
QB hasn't improved like those
quote:he's capable and i've provided examples that refute the nega narrative
there isn't a strong history of development of the QB position from the college,
Posted on 10/28/14 at 10:33 am to dreaux
saban mystictly suckers miles into that mono / mono smash mouth lets line up and see whos bigger . cause that's what bama recruits for , and a lot of times it bites us in the arse.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:10 am to AlwysATgr
quote:
it's a bit disingenuous to state that Saban only has won more than Les when both Auburn and Bama have won 2 SEC titles since '08. That's two schools, not just one. Got it?
The conversation is about second guessing miles and how other teams are faring better with a different system. Auburn is not a good example. Chizik had a once in a decade player and got fired after that because he sucks and you want to use that as proof that auburn is showing how miles can do it differently?
Malzahn was 2 ridiculous, miraculous plays from being no better than miles. Moreover, MILES BEAT HIM STRAIGHT UP. Yet, you want to use him as an example of how to do it better. Let's see malzahn keep it up for another 5 years at least before we put him in miles' category.
quote:
can you give equal credit
One flash in the pan year does not support your point that others have been "as good as miles"
quote:
And K-State didn't
Yes they did. 5 trips to the red zone. Multiple unforced errors and they held auburn to well below their usual totals.
quote:
'13 happened alright. But that's the exception.
No it isn't. Good grief how many times do these points have to be repeated? Jamarcus, flynn, lee before the bama game. You are wrong on this point
quote:
And by your definition we were only average in the SECW last year.
Overall but, not on offense. A 3k yard passer is not average.
quote:
If you don't believe me regarding the more conservative approach to O post-'08, call 225-499-9898 at 12:30 AM on 11/9/14 and ask Charlie to fill you in.
So he's going to explain away lee having good numbers in '11 and mett in '13?
quote:
But he went too conservative after '08
Support without appealing to some other hack. Man up and explain 2011 and 2013 while considering 2006 and 2007
quote:
and he needs to adjust course some.
You have no idea whether that's going to make things any better. You're just parroting something you heard in order to disparage miles. If that weren't the case you wouldn't be complaining because you would realize that miles has won more games with his strategy than anyone other than a short list of legendary coaches. You aren't saying anything he doesn't already know and isn't already working on and the proof is that he's done multiple times before what negas are complaining about
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:18 am to bfniii
You must be an attorney. You just keep spewing until everyone else is worn out and tired of arguing.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 11:42 am to Tiger_n_ATL
i could say the same thing about the negas. they keep apeing the same points no matter how many times they're proven wrong. they won't be happy until miles is gone and they have no guarantee that things will be better. it's impossible for them to enjoy any success miles has because he didn't win a certain kind of way.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 12:56 pm to bfniii
It is obvious you don't under stand that being a Tiger fan has something to do with supporting them , I don't think you will ever start, little nicky fan !
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