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re: Let's hear from those complaining about the Miles "offensive philosophy"
Posted on 10/27/14 at 11:23 am to WalkingTurtles
Posted on 10/27/14 at 11:23 am to WalkingTurtles
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Having concerns about the QB play in this offense doesn't mean you are shitting on the dang team.
Anyone with any sense has concerns about the QB play. The play calling is getting a little more interesting (i.e. td pass) and will probably continue to as AJ gains confidence. This game did alot for the team.
quote:THIS will make the difference.
And no more fumbles from the RBs.
I'm a sunshine pumping homer - have been to all home games and have watched the team struggle and grow. I've listened to the negas say we would not win another game after Auburn.
The Tigers will punch Bama in the mouth just as they did OM. Bama will punch back hard and it will be a fight to the end. But you better believe that NONE of the remaining coaches are looking forward to playing this team.
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 11:27 am to SCwTiger
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But you better believe that NONE of the remaining coaches are looking forward to playing this team
Probably the most true statement!!!
Posted on 10/27/14 at 11:34 am to tjtiger9
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How do you feel when we are in third and long
How does anyone feel at third and long? It's not a good place to be for any team.
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was Lee throwing the ball until Miles had a brain farct the last third of the season
The LSU passing offense ranked at like 95 in the nation with Lee and Lee had the brain fart as he always did when he saw a Alabama defense facing him. People acting like Lee was all this passing for LSU are full of it.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 11:38 am to LSUANDY25
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When u donbt have good QB play this is a good strategy. His philosphy is winning. The man can win without great QB play
I get what you are saying and I agree...however, I think this becomes a self fulfilling prophecy with Miles and his QB's... (Mett for one year being the outlier), and now you begin to accept that the QB is not an essential part of the game plan, and you plan around him, not for him.
If you accept the premise that the QB is not an essential part of the gameplan, but is just in fact another player on the field, the end result is what we see here...either the QB never gets developed into a true field general and struggles at the position, or the gameplan never revolves around him and we see the one dimensional stuff we have seen from Miles for many years now with JJ and now Jennings.
This post was edited on 10/27/14 at 11:40 am
Posted on 10/27/14 at 11:45 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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If you accept the premise that the QB is not an essential part of the gameplan, but is just in fact another player on the field, the end result is what we see here...either the QB never gets developed into a true field general and struggles at the position, or the gameplan never revolves around him and we see the one dimensional stuff we have seen from Miles for many years now with JJ and now Jennings.
This is so stupid. Like the bama offense always revolved around AJ? BS.....it's a winning strategy, especially when you have a young qb that is still developing confidence....LSU now has the ABILITY to throw if need be....on Saturday, night, they did not need to throw much...just enough to keep Ole Miss off balance.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 12:12 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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now you begin to accept that the QB is not an essential part of the game plan, and you plan around him, not for him.
What BS!
You have to brain dead to think this way less than a year removed from Mett throwing the ball all over the fricking field.
LSU has thrown the ball when LSU has had a QB capable of throwing the ball without it biting us in the arse. We threw it in 2008 even when we shouldn't. Russell threw it in 2005, 2006. Flynn in 2007. Lee in 2008. Mett in the last part of 2012 and all of 2013.
Anyone saying QBs haven't been essential for Miles is nuts.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 12:22 pm to LSU Groupee
we played the best defense in the sec and the LSU offense was dominant. we would have scored 25+ points except for 4 turnovers and a wasted 3rd qtr due to poor field position (got ball inside the 20 on 3 or 4 times). we also got screwed on the inadvertent whistle call and the missed interference call in 1st qtr. Miles and Cam know exactly what they are doing. we are in year two with cam and it will take another year for cam to resolve the qb concerns. when cam fixed all the qb concerns, we will dominate college football for a few years.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 12:58 pm to bfniii
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bfniii
And your an arse hole to the extreme. Sorry for having logical discussion.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 1:36 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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I understand the balance O concept and the want to throw the ball more, but I don't believe going more to our weakness is a wise play at this time.
i agree lonnie, not saying it should be our first option, but the threat has to be there, right now, it isn't with Jennnings playing QB...I still believe strongly that Harris should be getting these game reps handing the ball off to the RB's...hell he even runs better than Jennings...
Clarification...
And I don't want it to look like I dislike Jennings because I had such disdain for Jefferson ...I think Jennings is a fantastic young man, nothing like Jefferson who i thought was a selfish thug...Jennings I think works hard and means well and is a very smart young man that I hope succeeds...I however think he is limited because of the lack of velocity his ball has (post over the middle throw) ...With that being said, its not a requirement to be great college QB and have a mediocre arm....Danny Weurful comes to mind....But he was a leader and could put the ball on the money hitting his receiver in stride...(had great timing with his WR's)...I still have serious doubt though that Jennings could get there...
Posted on 10/27/14 at 1:36 pm to tjtiger9
quote:that's the only alternative to recruiting higher rated players. so, yes you did.
Did I say that?
quote:yes
Are we throwing the ball?
quote:against ole miss? fairly good I guess. a team doesn't have to pass to get a first down
How do you feel when we are in third and long, confident we going to pick it up?
quote:this is irrelevant to the point. the point is wr shouldn't want to come to lsu since miles sucks at passing and offense and qb's. lsu actually gets highly regarded receivers here which invalidates the point negas are trying to make
So then why are there so many WRs in the NFL that actuallly had good receiving college years and still learned how to block?
Posted on 10/27/14 at 1:42 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:what about jamarcus? flynn? perriloux? lee before the bama game? mett is not the lone "outlier"
Mett for one year being the outlier
quote:I've addressed this many times. these characterizations are irrelevant. in the big picture, lsu is winning more than teams who employ alternate offense philosophies. certain people just refuse to acknowledge it
one dimensional stuff
Posted on 10/27/14 at 1:47 pm to WalkingTurtles
quote:wow. we got to page 5 before the jr high insults started. kudos. now why don't you try addressing my points instead of petulant name calling
And your an arse hole to the extreme
quote:in case you can't tell from my posts in this thread, there is nothing logical about what you said.
Sorry for having logical discussion
Posted on 10/27/14 at 2:07 pm to NorthTiger
I would argue that a good deal of the people who criticize Miles don't necessarily negate all the positives he brings to LSU football. I think a great deal like a good deal of his overall/general philosophy. However, I don't know how you, NorthTiger, feel, but I think a great deal of the fanbase wishes Miles were a better developer of QBs. With the exception of maybe Mettenberger (who got his college 101 under a different coach) Miles has not developed a quarterback to the level of success needed to provide for a more balanced offense.
I feel we should be a pro-style, run-based offense; however, I would like to see Jennings and Harris develop into not average, but well above average leaders. I want a mostly dependable short passing game to develop in order for Fournette and the ground game to dominate with ease.
I feel we should be a pro-style, run-based offense; however, I would like to see Jennings and Harris develop into not average, but well above average leaders. I want a mostly dependable short passing game to develop in order for Fournette and the ground game to dominate with ease.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 2:18 pm to bfniii
Russell, Flynn both did not receive the fundamentals of QB position from Miles.
Perriloux -- not a strong example for your argument. Not enough to go on here.
Lee was decent.
Mett was prepped at another school.
Not all of this is squarely on Miles...sometimes it's the cards you're dealt. However, can one really argue that Miles is a great QB developer and coach?
Perriloux -- not a strong example for your argument. Not enough to go on here.
Lee was decent.
Mett was prepped at another school.
Not all of this is squarely on Miles...sometimes it's the cards you're dealt. However, can one really argue that Miles is a great QB developer and coach?
Posted on 10/27/14 at 2:32 pm to NorthTiger
1. Most of the complaints stemmed from the Miss State game because:
a. Miss State has possibly the best front 7 in the nation.
b. Miss State's secondary is suspect.
c. We have great WR's who are more than capable of getting separation.
d. The power run wasn't working in that game and that was clear from the word "go".
2. The issue isn't what philosophy Miles is using, it's refusing to change AT ALL when it's necessary. Power run should always be our go-to. We are one of the few programs with the talent to run it. Power run offers the greatest capability of wearing down a defense and controlling the clock. However, when a matchup proves to be unfavorable, one needs to have the presence of mind to adopt to what the defense is giving.
a. Miss State has possibly the best front 7 in the nation.
b. Miss State's secondary is suspect.
c. We have great WR's who are more than capable of getting separation.
d. The power run wasn't working in that game and that was clear from the word "go".
2. The issue isn't what philosophy Miles is using, it's refusing to change AT ALL when it's necessary. Power run should always be our go-to. We are one of the few programs with the talent to run it. Power run offers the greatest capability of wearing down a defense and controlling the clock. However, when a matchup proves to be unfavorable, one needs to have the presence of mind to adopt to what the defense is giving.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 2:43 pm to marklsu
quote:you know this how?
Russell, Flynn both did not receive the fundamentals of QB position from Miles
quote:1. he was highly recruited which invalidates the negas point that miles can't recruit good qb's. 2. the guy was looking quite good in limited play. clearly miles was doing something right. I think he is a good example
Perriloux -- not a strong example for your argument. Not enough to go on here
quote:you're underselling
Lee was decent
quote:absurd. he was ok in '12, great in '13.
Mett was prepped at another school
quote:I've given several examples that prove miles can not only recruit but can also improve.
However, can one really argue that Miles is a great QB developer and coach?
Posted on 10/27/14 at 2:46 pm to bfniii
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quote:
Les still needs to put the ghosts of '08 behind him
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the guy is second only to saban since that time and this crap is still getting posted. he's appeared in a ncg since then!
FTR, Auburn ('10 and '13) and Bama ('09 and '12) have won the SEC 2X since '08. We've only won it once since '08. If you want to hide Auburn's coaching change, fair enough. But it's a little disingenuous to make such comments.
And maybe you should also note that Mack Brown and Gene Chizik "appeared in a ncg since then."
Posted on 10/27/14 at 2:46 pm to kingbob
quote:I don't understand what you are trying to say. when we were behind, we were forced to start throwing. we started seeing 4 wide and throwing it more. it didn't work because Jennings just wasn't good. how is that miles not trying to adapt?
However, when a matchup proves to be unfavorable, one needs to have the presence of mind to adopt to what the defense is giving.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 2:50 pm to AlwysATgr
quote:auburn caught lightning in a bottle twice. otherwise, miles was bested by the best, saban. you're also conveniently omitting that auburn has had a losing season, as has Georgia and florida. ark and tenn are off the map. miles has avoided those pitfalls.
We've only won it once since '08.
quote:how was my comment wrong?
But it's a little disingenuous to make such comments
quote:what the. they're not even in coaching because they suck. miles has turned his team around in short order and is poised for a very promising season next year. these 2 examples help prove my point even more.
Mack Brown and Gene Chizik
Posted on 10/27/14 at 2:55 pm to AlwysATgr
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And maybe you should also note that Mack Brown and Gene Chizik "appeared in a ncg since then."
And both of those guys had QBs on those teams making starts in the NFL this week. And neither appearance has been since our last one.
Eta: yes I know this is adding nothing to the conversation
This post was edited on 10/27/14 at 2:58 pm
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