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re: It's not he scheme it's the philosophy
Posted on 11/12/15 at 1:55 pm to Salmon
Posted on 11/12/15 at 1:55 pm to Salmon
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Les trusted Mett in 2013 and we threw all over the place
we finished in the middle of the pack in the SEC in passing yards and overall offense in 2013. We threw it all over the place relative other past lsu offense
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Posted on 11/12/15 at 1:56 pm to boxcar willie
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we finished in the middle of the pack in the SEC in passing yards and overall offense in 2013.
I wasn't talking about yardage
but plays...specifically short slant passes and utilizing the middle of the field
Posted on 11/12/15 at 1:58 pm to Big EZ Tiger
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The fans are idiots, but LSU is the only team in the West that hasn't had one 20-yard or more run against Bama or scored more than 17 against them in the last six games (including two overtime games). Come on man... Is our O-line that bad every year?
Well LF had an 18 yard run so that's just splitting hairs.
Seems like saban has built this team to stop LSU. More often than not, that's enough. But until last weekend Bama didn't control their own destiny because he couldn't stop ole miss. It may work out again this year or they will be Sol again and lose to an inferior opponent. Basically his style of play has cost him games every year but 1. And is always to an inferior opponent.
Even in 09 they needed pp7 and jj to get hurt and a bs call. Needed a blocked fg by a finger to beat Tenn and needed colt McCoy to get hurt to beat Texas.
It's almost like he spends so much time scheming against LSU they overlook other opponents. They had 20 guys ready to go on d at all times. That's insane.
This post was edited on 11/12/15 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 11/12/15 at 2:01 pm to Tiger Khan
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The new excuse is that we need better players even though LSU leads the NFL in active players.
How many of those are OL, FB, and TE?
Posted on 11/12/15 at 2:12 pm to chilge1
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It's that simple. Beat your man.
it's true that we need more talent, especially in the trenches and it looks like we might start getting that. But there are things we could be doing on offense, that other teams with less talent than we have do, that seem to work better.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 2:14 pm to boxcar willie
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we finished in the middle of the pack in the SEC in passing yards and overall offense in 2013. We threw it all over the place relative other past lsu offense
It's misleading. Jennings played 2.5 games that year. The blowouts, maybe threw 1 pass in the second half. LSU could have easily moved up the rankings if they kept mett in. Similar to 06. Plenty of times LSU could have padded jmarcs stats, instead Flynn would come in the 3rd quarter of blowouts and LSU would run the ball.
On the other hand, Baylor is out there up 20 with 5 minutes to go and their qb breaks his neck. Why? These teams run up the score on shite opponents. Ole Miss did it this year, Tamu does it every year, TCU, Baylor, Oregon, Texas tech. Yet none of those teams are winning titles.
But they will rank higher in offense than LSU because they are still throwing the ball on Lamar up 50 fricking pts.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 2:26 pm to boxcar willie
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But there are things we could be doing on offense, that other teams with less talent than we have do, that seem to work better.
Relative to what? I assume you're using Alabama as the measuring stick, given the timeliness of this thread....
2011 - Alabama finishes 7-1, 9-6 OT loss to LSU
2012 - Alabama finishes 7-1, 29-24 loss to aTM (outscored aTm 24-9 after 1Q)
2013 - Alabama finishes 7-1, 34-28 Kick Six
2014 - Alabama finishes 7-1, 23-17 loss to Ole Miss
2015 - Alabama current 5-1, 43-37 loss to Ole Miss (committed 5 turnovers)
There is literally no team and no offensive style that has consistent success against that team... because there is no team that can consistently win the individual matchups with Alabama's defense.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 3:02 pm to boxcar willie
What about the D - they have not looked good in 3 or 4 of our games
Posted on 11/12/15 at 3:07 pm to boxcar willie
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We should abandon that and go to more of a shotgun 3wr set base formation that uses a lot more short passes and QB runs along with the deep passes in order to spread out the defense. We can still be a run first offense
Les will do that, when pigs fly. Maybe after Les has matched Charlie McClendon's record of losing to Bama, he might have a clue.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 3:13 pm to TrueTigerTale
TRUE! 
Posted on 11/12/15 at 3:23 pm to SOL
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What about the D - they have not looked good in 3 or 4 of our games
the defense is doing about as well as they could be doing with the talent they have to work with. The offense on the other hand isn't.
although it is probably doing about as well as can be expected considering what we do on offense. To bad we didn't try to build on what worked so well in the S Carolina game and try to continue developing along those lines.
This post was edited on 11/12/15 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 11/12/15 at 3:33 pm to boxcar willie
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the defense is doing about as well as they could be doing with the talent they have to work with. The offense on the other hand isn't.
Have been pleasantly surprised at how well the D has played pretty much all year.
The offense has looked good in stretches but has yet to find a consistent rhythm 8 GAMES INTO THE SEASON.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 3:35 pm to boxcar willie
It's his philosophy of trying to keep games close to win at that back end is what is flawed. He has our players extremely tight and tense..
I would prefer we utilize our talents with balance consistently... and never let off the gas. It's time to really believe in our guys and have them believing in themselves.. start dominating opponents again.
Let's Geaux!
I would prefer we utilize our talents with balance consistently... and never let off the gas. It's time to really believe in our guys and have them believing in themselves.. start dominating opponents again.
Let's Geaux!
Posted on 11/12/15 at 3:39 pm to chilge1
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Relative to what? I assume you're using Alabama as the measuring stick, given the timeliness of this thread....
Well I guess you could point to Ole Miss and Ohio St as teams that don't match up talent wise yet still managed to beat them. Neither use a mano a mano impose your will style offense. NO team is going to match up talent wise with Bama. It's going to be a long time before someone runs off as many #1 recruiting classes in a row as they have. That's why you can't use an offense like ours against them.
But I'm not talking about just against Bama. I'm talking about offenses in general.
And it's not just me. A whole lot of national media types and former players don't have a lot good to say about our offense.
This post was edited on 11/12/15 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 11/12/15 at 4:08 pm to boxcar willie
LSU has been running this same offense well before Cam got to LSU.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 5:54 pm to dgnx6
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Well LF had an 18 yard run so that's just splitting hairs.
The point is that we've had zero long runs in 6 games against them and we're a smash-mouth running team. That's pretty pathetic by anyone's standards.
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It's almost like he spends so much time scheming against LSU they overlook other opponents. They had 20 guys ready to go on d at all times. That's insane.
Maybe he does, but maybe it's smart because LSU has been the only team that is consistently good in the West and he knows he needs to win that head-to-head matchup to advance (like in 2011...kidding). Between having 20 guys ready on D and showing a number of offensive looks that our defensive players said they had not seen on film, it seems pretty clear that one team was throwing in numerous wrinkles to get the W while the other did what they normally do.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 5:59 pm to Rico Tubbs
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LSU has been running this same offense well before Cam got to LSU.
The offense has changed with the different coordinators and quarterbacks. I think part of the problem with Cam is he's too similar to Les so they don't always come up with good variations.
The idea of run-first has been the case for the most-part since at least DiNardo. I don't know if anything Hallman did can be described as a "philosophy", but something similar existed long before.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 6:04 pm to beauchristopher
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It's his philosophy of trying to keep games close to win at that back end is what is flawed.
I think that's where we screwed up against Bama in 2012 at least (I don't want to beat the dead horse with Bama, but I guess it's important for the sake of discussion). If we hadn't played for a field goal (that was missed anyway), I think we either score a touchdown or Bama runs out of time.
I guess we were trying to replicate 2011.
2014 I think we played above our normal ability, but we lost due to a ridiculous combination of the stupid penalty call and kicking out of bounds, and we still should have won.
This post was edited on 11/12/15 at 6:09 pm
Posted on 11/12/15 at 6:05 pm to dgnx6
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It's misleading. Jennings played 2.5 games that year. The blowouts, maybe threw 1 pass in the second half. LSU could have easily moved up the rankings if they kept mett in. Similar to 06. Plenty of times LSU could have padded jmarcs stats, instead Flynn would come in the 3rd quarter of blowouts and LSU would run the ball.
Some of that is definitely true, but we actually needed Jennings to come in and pull off the miracle against a bad Arkansas team. We ran on them well, but had issues passing the ball in the 2nd half of the game until Jennings came in.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 6:14 pm to Big EZ Tiger
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LSU could have padded jmarcs stats
I think some people also have incomplete recollections of 2006 even though it ended pretty well.
Three points at Auburn and 10 points at Florida come to mind.
Seven points in three quarters against a bad Ole Miss team that we had to go to OT to beat.
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