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It's not he scheme it's the philosophy
Posted on 11/12/15 at 9:50 am
Posted on 11/12/15 at 9:50 am
I think our offense scheme is just fine, a pro style scheme. It brings in recruits that want to play in a pro style offense.
the philosophy of lining up in an I formation and estgablishing the run with some deep passes interspersed with it is what needs to change.
We should abandon that and go to more of a shotgun 3wr set base formation that uses a lot more short passes and QB runs along with the deep passes in order to spread out the defense. We can still be a run first offense but just out of the shotgun 3 wide set in order to give Fournette more room to run. Just try to get the ball in Fournettes hands but in more space. Also try to get the ball into all of our big time playmakers hands in space to make big plays. Make use of all our weapons on offense.
Still a pro style offense but with a philosophy that believes in creating space more similar to what most pro teams do these days.
Also the most major change in philosophy is that we would no longer be trying to 'impose our will' on the defense and doing what we are going to do despite what the defense gives us. Instead of imposing our will we would be taking what the defense gives us.
Most of that is already in our playbook as we did it in the S Carolina game and in the second half of the W Kentucky game and portions of the Florida game.
the philosophy of lining up in an I formation and estgablishing the run with some deep passes interspersed with it is what needs to change.
We should abandon that and go to more of a shotgun 3wr set base formation that uses a lot more short passes and QB runs along with the deep passes in order to spread out the defense. We can still be a run first offense but just out of the shotgun 3 wide set in order to give Fournette more room to run. Just try to get the ball in Fournettes hands but in more space. Also try to get the ball into all of our big time playmakers hands in space to make big plays. Make use of all our weapons on offense.
Still a pro style offense but with a philosophy that believes in creating space more similar to what most pro teams do these days.
Also the most major change in philosophy is that we would no longer be trying to 'impose our will' on the defense and doing what we are going to do despite what the defense gives us. Instead of imposing our will we would be taking what the defense gives us.
Most of that is already in our playbook as we did it in the S Carolina game and in the second half of the W Kentucky game and portions of the Florida game.
This post was edited on 11/12/15 at 10:20 am
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Posted on 11/12/15 at 9:56 am to boxcar willie
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It's not he scheme it's the philosophy by boxcar willie
As long as that wacka-doodle Les Miles is the coach....we will not change. Just remember....doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of insanity. Les Miles is a wacka-doodle....he is stubbornly insane!
Posted on 11/12/15 at 10:04 am to Elrod
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As long as that wacka-doodle Les Miles is the coach....we will not change. Just remember....doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of insanity. Les Miles is a wacka-doodle....he is stubbornly insane!
I don't think Miles and Cam are insane. Both are great coaches but they both just share the same ailment. I think they both just have a huge blind spot when it comes to the offense side of the ball.
This is more of a problem for Cam as he is the offense coordinator.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 10:04 am to boxcar willie
It seems obvious at this point that a CLM team will always enter a game with a philosophy or scheme or call it whatever you want to call it but his team will lineup and try to impose its will on the other team by running between the tackles. This will work 90% of the time because LSU has better personnel than most teams. Its the other 10% of the time that drives us all nutts because it is obvious his game plan is not working and he either refuses to acknowledge it and make adjustments or he is not capable of making the needed adjustments during the game and will continue to ram his head into a brick wall - over and over and over and over and over........you get the point!!
Posted on 11/12/15 at 10:12 am to RightWingTiger
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This will work 90% of the time because LSU has better personnel than most teams. Its the other 10% of the time that drives us all nutts
we still need to use a philosophy that works in those 10% games throughout the rest of the season also so that when we get to those 10% games, the offense that will work against them is a smooth running machine and not something we just installed for that particular game.
For example, we did try some short passes against Bama, but since it's not really a part of our offense it didn't work very well because it was something that our players aren't use to doing in a game situation.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 10:13 am to boxcar willie
The scheme is directly related to the philosophy.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 10:13 am to boxcar willie
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boxcar willie
Beefense5 will be along shortly to explain to you why you hate LSU.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 10:17 am to boxcar willie
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We should abandon that and go to more of a shotgun 3wr set base formation that uses a lot more short passes and QB runs along with the deep passes in order to spread out the defense.
this just isn't going to happen, especially not this year
maybe when Miles trust Harris more and that might happen next year
but this year? it isn't going to happen
Posted on 11/12/15 at 10:20 am to boxcar willie
Yes, we are who we are (ground & pound) due mostly due to our HC. However, I thought it was fairly simple and obvious to figure we needed some wrinkles in this game. All we heard all year was about this vaunted FRONT 7 we were going to face.
We could not change over night, but we did have an extra week to add a few SIMPLE wrinkles...
1. Fournette & Guice in the backfield at the same time. Mini-version of Auburn read/option style offense. Playcall made at the line of scrimmage where it's Fournette off-tackle or pitch to Guice to the outside based on the Bama front shown.
2. Fournette with LIMITED touches in first half and more used as a "Reggie Bush" type decoy.
3. Tight-end off play action.
4. Adjustments made after first half based on results of above.
We could not change over night, but we did have an extra week to add a few SIMPLE wrinkles...
1. Fournette & Guice in the backfield at the same time. Mini-version of Auburn read/option style offense. Playcall made at the line of scrimmage where it's Fournette off-tackle or pitch to Guice to the outside based on the Bama front shown.
2. Fournette with LIMITED touches in first half and more used as a "Reggie Bush" type decoy.
3. Tight-end off play action.
4. Adjustments made after first half based on results of above.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 10:23 am to alumni95
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We could not change over night, but we did have an extra week to add a few SIMPLE wrinkles
Not talking about just the Bama game. Sure it was to late for the Bama game. Should have been implemented last season. Would have helped out the offense last season and by the Bama game this year it would have been a fully functioning offense
Posted on 11/12/15 at 10:25 am to boxcar willie
We tried this to start the second half and immediately turned the ball over and let the game get away from us. This team is not ready yet to be a fully loaded offense, the passing game just isn't there.
You do what your players can do best in order to win games. LSU's strength on offense is obviously the power run game. Unfortunately for us, that is exactly what Alabama is best at defending.
You do what your players can do best in order to win games. LSU's strength on offense is obviously the power run game. Unfortunately for us, that is exactly what Alabama is best at defending.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 10:26 am to boxcar willie
It is the elements within the scheme that are the issue. A scheme is a plan or design that you follow. Our plan is to run the majority of the time (no problem with that) out of very basic/predictable sets (a big issue at times). We also mix in the pass with some basic sets. There isn't a lot of variety. It's obviously not a terrible scheme for your whole schedule and has been successful, but you need some additions in certain games.
Doing this allows you to learn how to execute those plays at a high level of success with great talent. However, the predictable nature of it requires you to have superior talent to the team on the other side most of the time because the opposing team basically knows what is coming, they just have to have the strength and athleticism to stop it. Bama is one of those teams that has what it takes to stop it and their defense does not have to do a lot of guessing at the line of scrimmage. That usually will lead to problems scoring.
Doing this allows you to learn how to execute those plays at a high level of success with great talent. However, the predictable nature of it requires you to have superior talent to the team on the other side most of the time because the opposing team basically knows what is coming, they just have to have the strength and athleticism to stop it. Bama is one of those teams that has what it takes to stop it and their defense does not have to do a lot of guessing at the line of scrimmage. That usually will lead to problems scoring.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 10:26 am to Elrod
quote:It's not the definition of insanity. It's Einstein's definition of insanity.
Just remember....doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 10:27 am to alumni95
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. Fournette & Guice in the backfield at the same time. Mini-version of Auburn read/option style offense. Playcall made at the line of scrimmage where it's Fournette off-tackle or pitch to Guice to the outside based on the Bama front shown.
that's a great idea but it should have been installed in the offense last spring
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2. Fournette with LIMITED touches in first half and more used as a "Reggie Bush" type decoy. 3. Tight-end off play action.
more good ideas, but see comment above
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4. Adjustments made after first half based on results of above.
more good ideas, but I would have rather seen those adjustment made in the spring after watching a whole 2014 season of abomination on the offense side of the ball rather than at half time of the Bama game this year.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 10:28 am to boxcar willie
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It's not he scheme it's the philosophy by boxcar willie
First 7 games nobody seemed to mind either.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 10:33 am to tlsu15
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You do what your players can do best in order to win games. LSU's strength on offense is obviously the power run game
it's what they have been coached to do, so it became our strength on offense. It didn't need to be that way.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 10:34 am to arcalades
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It's not the definition of insanity. It's Einstein's definition of insanity.
I stand corrected...this is true. Einstein thinks Les Miles is a wacka-doodle!
Posted on 11/12/15 at 10:35 am to boxcar willie
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I think our offense scheme is just fine, a pro style scheme
I disagree LSU runs a true pro style offense, but I'm not a HC making 5 mil per year.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 10:35 am to Elrod
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doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.
so by your logic, doing something different from what won LSU the first 7 games would have been insane, no?
Posted on 11/12/15 at 10:37 am to YouAre8Up
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First 7 games nobody seemed to mind either.
Maybe...but it worked in the first 7 games against lesser opponents. No one with any football knowledge thought we could run the table with that scheme...Harris was brought along slowly and started to develop as a passer. He has enough ability to implement some other rather simple things (adjustments to what Bama was doing) to have been successful. Miles chose not to do so. He's a wacka-doodle!
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