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re: It's not he scheme it's the philosophy
Posted on 11/12/15 at 6:15 pm to Elrod
Posted on 11/12/15 at 6:15 pm to Elrod
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Just remember....doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of insanity. L
It's not the definition of insanity despite this being posted 15 times a day on here
It's not even confirmed that Einstein said this.
This post was edited on 11/12/15 at 6:21 pm
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Posted on 11/12/15 at 6:56 pm to boxcar willie
quote:LSU attempted 50% short range vs bama and Harris was not connecting.As for running spread, OL spacing wouldn't help what we witnessed. 3WR set didn't help either as Saban just went hat on hat and still got to QB.
We should abandon that and go to more of a shotgun 3wr set base formation that uses a lot more short passes and QB runs along with the deep passes in order to spread out the defense.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 6:58 pm to boxcar willie
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I can't accept that MIles/Cam are not intelligent people. Miles is one of the top coaches in the country and at some point he is going to realize what is holding his team back.
We are a young team, I know people here say that has turned into an excuse, but, young is young, and we are young compared to Alabama's team.
I agree with you that we have changed and evolved some since aTm, and especially in the Notre Dame game, offensively speaking.
Before the season I read many threads here that said 2016 would be the year, and I still think it will be.
Insanity is not so much doing the same thing and expecting different result, but doing the same things that hurt you, Knowing the results will be the same. The results are not bad for this team this year, fans want to win it all Now !
I think we are ahead of schedule, and next year should be the year that we complain if we fail.
This post was edited on 11/12/15 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 11/12/15 at 7:41 pm to alumni95
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1. Fournette & Guice in the backfield at the same time. Mini-version of Auburn read/option style offense. Playcall made at the line of scrimmage where it's Fournette off-tackle or pitch to Guice to the outside based on the Bama front shown.
Won't work when your offensive line is pushed into your backfield.
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2. Fournette with LIMITED touches in first half and more used as a "Reggie Bush" type decoy.
Won't work when your offensive line is pushed into your backfield.
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3. Tight-end off play action.
Won't work when your offensive line is pushed into your backfield.
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4. Adjustments made after first half based on results of above.
Won't work when your offensive line is pushed into your backfield.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 7:53 pm to boxcar willie
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the philosophy of lining up in an I formation and estgablishing the run with some deep passes interspersed with it is what needs to change
No it doesnt. We just need players to execute. Even after last Saturday, LSU is 9th in the country in offensive yards per play.
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We should abandon that and go to more of a shotgun 3wr set base formation that uses a lot more short passes
Yeah let's make our qb make throws that he has proven to be average at best at. Harris' deep ball is as good as anyone in cfb, but his short throws are very inconsistent.
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We can still be a run first offense but just out of the shotgun 3 wide set in order to give Fournette more room to run.
Again, our run game is far more successful out of the iformation and it's not debatable.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 7:56 pm to boxcar willie
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For example, we did try some short passes against Bama, but since it's not really a part of our offense it didn't work very well because it was something that our players aren't use to doing in a game situation.
Wow. The reason the coaches don't call more short passes is because they see that they don't work. I promise our coaches know more about our qbs strengths and weaknesses than you do.
If the offense executed short throws our coaches would call more shirt throws
Posted on 11/12/15 at 8:00 pm to boxcar willie
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Bama game this year it would have been a fully functioning offense
So a top 10 offense ,in all of cfb, isn't functioning enough for you.
LSU is 6th in the country in points per play.
LSU is 23rd in offensive points per game
Posted on 11/12/15 at 8:03 pm to boxcar willie
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it's what they have been coached to do, so it became our strength on offense. It didn't need to be that way
Holy shite. You have no idea what you're talking about. You think you know more about our players abilities than the coaches?
Our run game is our strength because we have 3 rbs that could start at 99% of the other cfb programs.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 8:03 pm to arcalades
Actually it's not Einstein's definition of insanity. He never said that. If you're going to correct someone at least have half of an idea of what you're talking about
Posted on 11/12/15 at 8:05 pm to gsvar2004
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That was a telegraphed play.
The pass was horrible.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 8:17 pm to eastside45ydln
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When bama can get buy with this type of play(holding)
It's the crowd that makes the refs shite in their pants to call a foul but mostly the fact the SEC Commission with the office of officiating is located in Birmingham. How bout moving them to Oklahoma a neutral state?
Posted on 11/12/15 at 9:06 pm to boxcar willie
How gotdamn long has people been screaming this?
It ain't happening.
It ain't happening.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 9:34 pm to boxcar willie
Just wanted to chime in that it's possible to pass well out of I-form. If y'all watched the Arkansas-Ole Miss game last week, a bunch of our huge passing gains were with two back sets under center. We barely ran shotgun. It's possible.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 10:01 pm to RightWingTiger
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It seems obvious at this point that a CLM team will always enter a game with a philosophy or scheme or call it whatever you want to call it but his team will lineup and try to impose its will on the other team by running between the tackles. This will work 90% of the time because LSU has better personnel than most teams. Its the other 10% of the time that drives us all nutts because it is obvious his game plan is not working and he either refuses to acknowledge it and make adjustments or he is not capable of making the needed adjustments during the game and will continue to ram his head into a brick wall - over and over and over and over and over........you get the point!!
The best description I've ever read.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 10:04 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Again, our run game is far more successful out of the iformation and it's not debatable.
it is debatable. Of course we have been more successful running out of the I because we have done it so much more often. We haven't done it enough out of the shotgun to make a statement like that one way or another. It's not our base formation. If it was we would be a lot more proficient operating out of it than we currently are.
Same with Harris short passing. He doesn't have any physical limitation that makes him a bad short passer. We just don't do it enough for Harris and the recievers to be on the same page with it and for Harris to have developed the touch on it.
If it would have been the offense we would have installed last spring LSU would function much better out of it. But even with that it was still the formation (shotgun) we used more than we have any other game this season in the S Carolina game. Which just so happened to be our highest offense output by a good bit all year. Fournette and Harris and Guice all ran very well out the shotgun that game.
The teams that have beaten Bama in the past couple years (ole Miss and Ohio St) all spread out Bamas defense
Posted on 11/12/15 at 10:15 pm to Salmon
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Les trusted Mett in 2013 and we threw all over the place. Harris will get there.
He'll get more attempts, but he is no where near Mett in talent.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 10:22 pm to BGSB
Schedule is tough this year at the back end. 2016 schedule is better.
In comparison, if you look at Bama's recruiting classes and their roster this year, THIS IS the year they suppose to dominate. Ole Miss was kink in the plans. The JRs and SRs on that team hailed mainly from 2012-2013 classes. Look at the talent amassed those years and the two following and it is not hard to see how they are able to rotate 14 DL.
In comparison, if you look at Bama's recruiting classes and their roster this year, THIS IS the year they suppose to dominate. Ole Miss was kink in the plans. The JRs and SRs on that team hailed mainly from 2012-2013 classes. Look at the talent amassed those years and the two following and it is not hard to see how they are able to rotate 14 DL.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 10:25 pm to boxcar willie
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is debatable.
Not when using facts.
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Of course we have been more successful running out of the I because we have done it so much more ofte
We run out of the I formation the most because the coaches see in practice that it's the most successful formation.
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If it was we would be a lot more proficient operating out of it than we currently are.
You have no idea if this is true or not. Stop acting like your opinion is a fact. If our offense was better running the ball out of the gun, we would run out of the gun more or are you under the impression that you know the teams strengths and weaknesses better than the coaches.
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Same with Harris short passing. He doesn't have any physical limitation that makes him a bad short passe
Holy shite. Do you even watch the games? Harris isn't accurate on short throws. It's plain to see.
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We just don't do it enough for Harris and the recievers to be on the same page with it and for Harris to have developed the touch on it
Again,we don't do it much in the games because our coaches see in PRACTICE that our offense doesn't execute short passes well.
You repeatedly saying something doesn't make it so.
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If it would have been the offense we would have installed last spring LSU would function much better out of it.
Again n you have no fricking idea if this is true. Stop acting like your opinion is a fact.
We are 9th in the country in offensive yards per play. How much better can we be.
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S Carolina game. Which just so happened to be our highest offense output by a good bit all year. Fournette and Harris and Guice all ran very well out the shotgun that game.
Yeah I guess let's all forget about the rest of the season when running out of the gun got us nothing because one of the worst defenses in the sec couldn't stop it.
If the team executes short routes well in practice we would run more short routes.
It's laughable that you think you know our players strengthsand weaknesses better than the coaches. But hey you are the poster that swore up and down that there was no such formation as the offset I.
This post was edited on 11/12/15 at 10:29 pm
Posted on 11/12/15 at 10:26 pm to boxcar willie
I think it's a bit of both. There are things I like about both and things I dislike about both.
I like that we want to run the ball on teams. Especially with the type of RBs we have and how our OL has been in the past. I also like that when throw it, we attack vertically. Those 2 complement each other very well.
I don't like that we consistently try to run the ball on teams, even if it's failing miserably. Teams know it's coming, and we still do it. Regardless of how many guys are in the box. I also don't like how we don't have any quick, short passing plays that attack the middle of the field. Our WRs are constantly split out extremely wide and even if we run a short hitch, the QB has to throw it 15yards across the field for just a short gain. I wanna see us get our WRs in tight and run some short, quick slants across the middle.
I still want us to be a power running team and take our shots downfield in the passing game. But I would love to see us run it a bit less than we do and incorporate some west coast passing plays into our offense. Some short, quick slants to the middle of the field with the WRs in tight, some rubs out of a tight bunch formation, etc.
I like that we want to run the ball on teams. Especially with the type of RBs we have and how our OL has been in the past. I also like that when throw it, we attack vertically. Those 2 complement each other very well.
I don't like that we consistently try to run the ball on teams, even if it's failing miserably. Teams know it's coming, and we still do it. Regardless of how many guys are in the box. I also don't like how we don't have any quick, short passing plays that attack the middle of the field. Our WRs are constantly split out extremely wide and even if we run a short hitch, the QB has to throw it 15yards across the field for just a short gain. I wanna see us get our WRs in tight and run some short, quick slants across the middle.
I still want us to be a power running team and take our shots downfield in the passing game. But I would love to see us run it a bit less than we do and incorporate some west coast passing plays into our offense. Some short, quick slants to the middle of the field with the WRs in tight, some rubs out of a tight bunch formation, etc.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 10:33 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Holy shite. Do you even watch the games? Harris isn't accurate on short throws. It's plain to see.
Harris is 41/60 on passes within 10yards of the LOS with just 7 inaccurate throws. Our WRs have 8 drops on those plays as well. So if those were caught, he would be 49/60. Pretty accurate. Ours WRs are responsible for more incompletions on short routes than Harris has had inaccurate passes.
The problem is that people only remember those few passes where he missed the guy or when he put too much heat on the ball, even though it hits the WRs in the hands and should be caught. This is major college football, 1 step away from the NFL. Don't tell me that the reason why a WR couldn't catch the ball is because the QB threw it too hard. That's bullshite and a little league excuse.
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This post was edited on 11/13/15 at 2:22 am
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