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re: Comparing Les to other great coaches.
Posted on 5/25/10 at 11:53 am to inebr8ted tiger
Posted on 5/25/10 at 11:53 am to inebr8ted tiger
les is good. saw his resume the other day, he was good before too. i know he doesn't get the credit he should, and he never will. (hopefully when he goes to michigan, the next guy in our headsets will get some credit and backing.)
but the man is good. good football coach. everyone points to one mistake against ole piss and youre right, jj takes that sack and ruins the game. not to mention not being able to stop a 2 man offense all game long.
i'm gonna say it again, les has coached 66 games at lsu, and has been beaten by 11 or more in 5 games.
so in 61 out of 66 games, les either wins, or his teams have a chance to win. man's got a nc, 2 sec west titles, and another bcs bowl win.
dude's good.
but the man is good. good football coach. everyone points to one mistake against ole piss and youre right, jj takes that sack and ruins the game. not to mention not being able to stop a 2 man offense all game long.
i'm gonna say it again, les has coached 66 games at lsu, and has been beaten by 11 or more in 5 games.
so in 61 out of 66 games, les either wins, or his teams have a chance to win. man's got a nc, 2 sec west titles, and another bcs bowl win.
dude's good.
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Posted on 5/25/10 at 11:54 am to MJM
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and dont forget coming within inches of losing to a mediocre at best MSU team
MSU last year was FAR BETTER than they have been in a long time. Look at the stretch of games against Vandy, LSU, GT, Houston, Middle Tennessee, Florida, and Kentucky.
Posted on 5/25/10 at 11:56 am to jrich11
good coaches dont consistently lose to teams with less talent
and that's exactly what LSU has done the last 2 years
when you are continually getting out-coached by the likes of Houston Nutt....you know there is a problem
and that's exactly what LSU has done the last 2 years
when you are continually getting out-coached by the likes of Houston Nutt....you know there is a problem
Posted on 5/25/10 at 11:56 am to chilge1
quote:So we've already gone 10-2...sweet. That was a tough schedule too.
To modify your scenario, to go from 7-5 to 9-3, to 10-2 in a three-year span definitely shows an improvement. Particularly when considering the opposition in year 3. I don't think many would argue that, either.
You do realize that the 2010 LSU football team has more ???? than any that Miles has coached so far.
Posted on 5/25/10 at 11:56 am to jrich11
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hopefully the next guy in our headsets will get some credit and backing
You see the heat Miles get for his accomplishments after two less-than-stellar years? Bring in somebody else that can't put up a 10-win season immediately like Miles did and he'll be crucified.
Posted on 5/25/10 at 11:57 am to chilge1
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MSU last year was FAR BETTER than they have been in a long time. Look at the stretch of games against Vandy, LSU, GT, Houston, Middle Tennessee, Florida, and Kentucky.
still doesnt make them a top notch SEC team with more talent than LSU
Posted on 5/25/10 at 12:01 pm to MJM
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good coaches dont consistently lose to teams with less talent and that's exactly what LSU has done the last 2 years when you are continually getting out-coached by the likes of Houston Nutt....you know there is a problem
Consistently? It's happened one time each year. 2008 we should have beaten Arkansas and 2009 we should have beaten Ole Miss. Give me another example of a lesser-talented team that beat us.
Posted on 5/25/10 at 12:04 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
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So we've already gone 10-2...sweet. That was a tough schedule too.
I assumed that by using the word scenario it would imply to all who read it that it was an obvious hypothetical.
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You do realize that the 2010 LSU football team has more ???? than any that Miles has coached so far.
If you think there are more questions this coming year than in 2008 you're not being honest with yourself.
Posted on 5/25/10 at 12:08 pm to chilge1
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Consistently? It's happened one time each year. 2008 we should have beaten Arkansas and 2009 we should have beaten Ole Miss. Give me another example of a lesser-talented team that beat us.
Ole Miss also in '08 and i should have included '07 in my original post, with losses to UK and AR
and even though we were lucky enough to win, i'd include UGA and MSU from last year also
Posted on 5/25/10 at 12:16 pm to allipgator
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Sorry, but I think GA was AWFUL last year
We will have to disagree.
I don't think anyone with open eyes could fail to see that the LSU program is not as "good as it use to be", but then what LSU teams in our history were as good collectively as the 05, 06, and 07 teams?
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it doesn't appear that the ship is heading in the right direction or that the captain knows where he is going
Perhaps, but to me going from an 08 season of 7-5 in the regular season, 7th in the SEC, and unranked to a 09 season of 9-3, 3rd in the SEC, and nationally ranked is the right direction, but each to our own.
Since Miles has been has been where we all want to return too, I am hoping he can find his way back. Seems like a reasonable hope, but then who knows what our future holds. I'll leave the crystal ball gazing to others and just wait to see what happens.
Posted on 5/25/10 at 12:27 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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Perhaps, but to me going from an 08 season of 7-5 in the regular season, 7th in the SEC, and unranked to a 09 season of 9-3, 3rd in the SEC, and nationally ranked is the right direction, but each to our own
So you're saying Miles has the program headed in the right direction?
In 05 Miles took over the best program in the SEC and one of the top 5 in the country. During the 05, 06 and 07 seasons he managed a remarkable 34-6 record and an SEC title and a national title. All of a sudden, we drop to 8-5, 7th in the SEC, and unranked. And this season we finish 9-4 with a pathetic offense, and three games where we gave up a 4th quarter lead. (Four if you count the Arkansas game) You really think we are heading the right direction? Do you think LSU is still a top 5 national program and the best program in the SEC? If not, then why is that?
This post was edited on 5/25/10 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 5/25/10 at 12:33 pm to MJM
We were lucky to go to the NC Game in 07 after being embarassed by UK and Arky
Posted on 5/25/10 at 1:04 pm to tiger187
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We were lucky to go to the NC Game in 07 after being embarassed by UK and Arky
Agreed, but then again every team that's won a NC has had to rely on some luck to win a close game or 2. Bottom line is that Les is trending down the past 2 seasons. We can debate the reasons all day long, but he gets paid to win games. Hopefully, he'll trend back up this year.
Posted on 5/25/10 at 1:05 pm to tiger187
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after being embarassed by UK and Arky
Posted on 5/25/10 at 1:07 pm to MJM
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Ole Miss also in '08 and i should have included '07 in my original post, with losses to UK and AR and even though we were lucky enough to win, i'd include UGA and MSU from last year also
Ole Miss was more talented than we were in 2008. Shay Hodge, Dexter McCluster, Jevan Snead, Peria Jerry, and Powe were unreal that year.
As far as 2007, Kentucky was bad but Arkansas had a good team and truth be told, we simply wore down at the end of the year. In either case, those were both 7 quarter games. More to the point, I'm not going to bitch about a NC year.
As far as your other examples, the point is we won. I don't give a damn how it happens as long as we score more points than them.
Posted on 5/25/10 at 1:16 pm to chilge1
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Ole Miss was more talented than we were in 2008. Shay Hodge, Dexter McCluster, Jevan Snead, Peria Jerry, and Powe were unreal that year.
How could this be? I thought Les was such a great recruiter.
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As far as 2007, Kentucky was bad but Arkansas had a good team and truth be told, we simply wore down at the end of the year.
We were better than Arkansas and MUCH better than Kentucky. Had Arkansas at home for the right to play in the SEC title game. These were both bad losses.
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In either case, those were both 7 quarter games
Were we the only team to play all 7 quarters, or did Arkansas and Kentucky have to as well? Help me out here, I'm not following along.
Posted on 5/25/10 at 1:23 pm to LJBurton
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How could this be? I thought Les was such a great recruiter.
Juniors and Seniors that year were composed of Saban's last class and the Saban/Miles transition class that signed 13 players. For the record, I'm placing the dip in talent on the latter, not the former. That 2005 recruiting class was a bitch as far as maintaining an elite talent level. FWIW, we seem to have shittons of talent at every position other than QB in the foreseeable future.
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Had Arkansas at home for the right to play in the SEC title game
We were already locked into the SEC title game
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Were we the only team to play all 7 quarters, or did Arkansas and Kentucky have to as well? Help me out here, I'm not following along.
And Arkansas didn't go through the first 11 weeks with a bullseye on their backs.
Posted on 5/25/10 at 1:38 pm to MJM
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i'd include UGA and MSU from last year also
You'd include 2 teams we beat in a list of teams we lost to? Brilliant.
Posted on 5/25/10 at 1:38 pm to Dead Fish
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Saban: The last 2 years the stars aligned for ole Nicky. If there was ever a time when the SEC was down (SEC standards) it's been the last 2 years. LSU, Auburn, Ole Miss, UGA, Tenn, USC. None of those schools have fielded teams in the last 2 years that was able to compete. Before LSU Nick Saban didn't win anything. Also Colt McCoy goes down in the first quarter or we may not be having any discussion. Everyone forgets that Utah waxed that arse 2 years ago in the Sugar Bowl.
And if the stars didn't align for LSU after a loss to Arkansas in the last regular season game, we wouldn't be talking about that 1 MNC that Miles has. Quit butthurting over Saban being back on top, it's reallly :beatdeadhorse:
This post was edited on 5/25/10 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 5/25/10 at 1:43 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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I am hoping he can find his way back. Seems like a reasonable hope, but then who knows what our future holds. I'll leave the crystal ball gazing to others and just wait to see what happens.
I want Les Miles to succeed simply because it means success for LSU. Don't really care who the coach is, and frankly don't see a lot of people I would replace Les with to be honest. I want Les to succeed but I just don't have a lot of faith from what I have seen the last two seasons.
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