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re: Cecil the lion's killer revealed as American dentist
Posted on 7/29/15 at 8:36 am to FalseProphet
Posted on 7/29/15 at 8:36 am to FalseProphet
the benefit is in the survival of the species not economically
if 1 overly-dominate male goes out and is killing 10 younger males, then killing the 1 protects the 10.
10 > 1 = benefit
ETA: i'm not saying this is going on in this situation but that's how many conservation hunts are structured
if 1 overly-dominate male goes out and is killing 10 younger males, then killing the 1 protects the 10.
10 > 1 = benefit
ETA: i'm not saying this is going on in this situation but that's how many conservation hunts are structured
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 8:38 am
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Posted on 7/29/15 at 8:37 am to FalseProphet
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If I can get 5000 dollars for killing a lion now but 50000 over the course of its lifetime for letting it live, one benefit is clearly greater than the other.
Too bad a lion is clearly more than $5000. And you're also ignoring that the lion would have been a live for years for the people to visit and see beforehand. No one is killing advocating killing lion cubs (except maybe the Chinese). Why can't both happen?
Posted on 7/29/15 at 8:37 am to LNCHBOX
Shooting them provides zero benefits. None of that money is given back to protect the lions. It goes to the guides. Like you said, this story will die down and poachers will continue and you and your insecure types will pay ridiculous fees to pull a trigger and mount a head on your wall like you did something respectable.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 8:38 am to Rhino5
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Shooting them provides zero benefits
wrong.
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None of that money is given back to protect the lions.
Wrong again.
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Like you said, this story will die down and poachers will continue and you and your insecure types will pay ridiculous fees to pull a trigger and mount a head on your wall like you did something respectable.
Poaching and legal big game hunts are not the same thing. But keep repeating your same stupid message please.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 8:44 am to LNCHBOX
Lol I'm not wrong. You are. If I'm the guide I'm keeping the money you gave me and paying taxes at the end of the year. There's not a formal government mandated pipeline that sends tourist dollars to the conservation efforts, the animals are simply dependent upon the African government to protect them via funding. And if the African human condition and filth the people live in over there is any indication, then how bad do the animals have it? I'll tell you... Have a look and the endangered species list from Africa, that's how bad. Look at the infant mortality rate as well.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 8:45 am to Tigertown in ATL
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What is troubling is the attention something like this gets while children are being kidnapped and sold into slavery in Sudan.
I hate this attitude. "Let's not give a shite about other issues, there people around the world who have it bad!"
Everyone is aware that shitty things are going on to people in poor parts of the world. It is something that has been going on since the beginning of time. It is much more difficult to end the slave trade than it is to keep people from killing endangered animals for sport.
I don't see why people can't get behind both causes.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 8:46 am to Rhino5
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Lol I'm not wrong.
A link by one of you people says you are.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 8:47 am to Bluefin
I don't care if he was trophy hunting, didn't plan on eating the meat, whatever...he killed a tagged animal right next to a protected national wildlife refuge.
Can you honestly tell me he didn't know what they were doing? Bullsh*t. There was a collar around the damn animals neck...and he was bow hunting...can you honestly tell me he didn't see the collar before releasing? Can you tell me he didn't know he was right next to a wildlife refuge? F*ck that guy.
This guy has a criminal record for illegally taking large game in the states...screw him...I hope he rots in prison for years.
He essentially signed the death warrant for nearly twelve cubs, furthering endangering a species on the brink of collapse.
Yeah, properly managed big game hunting can lead to extraordinary conservation efforts...it puts big value on an animal that would otherwise be considered a nuisance.
However, what he did completely contradicts any and all conservation efforts in the area.
He cast a very bad light on all of the honest, conservation minded, and law abiding hunters in the world.
He is evidence for the "tree huggers" to use against us...his actions tug at a very sincere emotional place in the public's heart.
For the record...I hope he rots away in prison, either in the US but preferably Africa.
My commentary from the OB
Can you honestly tell me he didn't know what they were doing? Bullsh*t. There was a collar around the damn animals neck...and he was bow hunting...can you honestly tell me he didn't see the collar before releasing? Can you tell me he didn't know he was right next to a wildlife refuge? F*ck that guy.
This guy has a criminal record for illegally taking large game in the states...screw him...I hope he rots in prison for years.
He essentially signed the death warrant for nearly twelve cubs, furthering endangering a species on the brink of collapse.
Yeah, properly managed big game hunting can lead to extraordinary conservation efforts...it puts big value on an animal that would otherwise be considered a nuisance.
However, what he did completely contradicts any and all conservation efforts in the area.
He cast a very bad light on all of the honest, conservation minded, and law abiding hunters in the world.
He is evidence for the "tree huggers" to use against us...his actions tug at a very sincere emotional place in the public's heart.
For the record...I hope he rots away in prison, either in the US but preferably Africa.
My commentary from the OB
Posted on 7/29/15 at 8:48 am to stewie
Well said Stewie.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 8:51 am to Rhino5
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how much was this tour and was it popular?
If I'm remembering correctly, it was $160 per person and included transfer to/from. There were AM and PM sessions and it was limited in the number of people per session. The website says ten. We booked only one day in advance, but the morning session was all booked and the PM session that we attended had the max number of people as well. So, in general, yes, it was popular.
I'd like to add that the main guide spoke with the group about conservation efforts after the encounter. You could see in his eyes and hear in his voice how much he cared about these animals. If I cared about anything that much, I'd be a much better man.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 8:56 am to Bluefin
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I was able to do something similar when I was in Tanzania, and my takeaway was that there is no "hunting" involved in big game hunting.
I know, right? Why can't this guy just drive his four wheeler up to his box stand, turn on the portable heater, read his phone for a bit, wait for the deer to walk up to the feeder, and then shoot it like a real man does.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 8:57 am to Rhino5
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This post was edited on 8/18/15 at 7:26 am
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:00 am to stewie
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He essentially signed the death warrant for nearly twelve cubs
How did he do that?
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:00 am to jrodLSUke
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I know, right? Why can't this guy just drive his four wheeler up to his box stand, turn on the portable heater, read his phone for a bit, wait for the deer to walk up to the feeder, and then shoot it like a real man does.
Hey, whatever you gotta do to eat.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:00 am to bigblake
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As more and more has come out, I'm starting to think the dentist didn't know it was a tagged lion
Hold up. At what point would the dentist not have alarms going off in his head?
When the guide deals him they have to lure the lion away from the reserve so they can shoot him?
Or when he gets out of the car to shoot the trailing lion at a close enough distance to hit him with a bow and with a spotlight shining on the lion?
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:00 am to bigblake
He shot it with a cross bow, not a sniper rifle. They also lured it out. It was close.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:01 am to MrLarson
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How did he do that?
There is another dominant male in the group who will now kill all of the dead lion's cubs so there is no competition.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:05 am to FalseProphet
If the lion died of natural causes the same thing would happen. It is just how nature works.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:05 am to tigerinthebueche
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Well said Stewie.
Indeed.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:08 am to FalseProphet
It's crap like this that gives hunters everywhere a bad name. These rich guys that can drop ungodly amounts of money on a hunt don't really care about the ethics, they just want the animals in their trophy room.
I've never seen the allure of hunting game that has no end purpose except a cape or a wall mount. Don't get me wrong, I have several deer on my wall, but I've also cooked a lot of venison in my day as well. Otherwise why hunt?
I've never seen the allure of hunting game that has no end purpose except a cape or a wall mount. Don't get me wrong, I have several deer on my wall, but I've also cooked a lot of venison in my day as well. Otherwise why hunt?
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