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re: Cecil the lion's killer revealed as American dentist
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:09 am to Geekboy
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:09 am to Geekboy
LINK
Maybe Germans but...
This from the link I think is telling and one has to ask...do we stop these hunts when we're down to Noah's Ark numbers or something short of that?
Approximately 600 lions are killed every year on trophy hunts, including lions in populations that are already declining from other threats. These hunts are unsustainable and put more pressure on the species.
Trophy hunting is also counter-evolutionary, as it's based on selectively taking the large, robust, and healthy males from a population for a hunter's trophy room. These are the same crucial individuals that in a natural system would live long, full lives, protecting their mates and cubs and contributing their genes to future generations.
Carry on...
Maybe Germans but...
This from the link I think is telling and one has to ask...do we stop these hunts when we're down to Noah's Ark numbers or something short of that?
Approximately 600 lions are killed every year on trophy hunts, including lions in populations that are already declining from other threats. These hunts are unsustainable and put more pressure on the species.
Trophy hunting is also counter-evolutionary, as it's based on selectively taking the large, robust, and healthy males from a population for a hunter's trophy room. These are the same crucial individuals that in a natural system would live long, full lives, protecting their mates and cubs and contributing their genes to future generations.
Carry on...
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Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:10 am to ElDawgHawg
Deer are not endangered, your good.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:12 am to MrLarson
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If the lion died of natural causes the same thing would happen. It is just how nature works
He was the alpha male of a pride who had fought many battles to win and maintain his pride. With human intervention a smaller weaker lion will take the pride and birth smaller weaker cubs, weakening the species. Not that difficult to understand, but physics and Greek for some.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:14 am to pennypacker3
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Trophy hunting is also counter-evolutionary, as it's based on selectively taking the large, robust, and healthy males from a population for a hunter's trophy room.
THISSSSSS!!!!!!!!
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:14 am to Bluefin
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It is much more difficult to end the slave trade than it is to keep people from killing endangered animals for sport.
well there is also the fact that we can do something to help girls being sold into slavery and stopping big game hunting would lead to the extinction of many species, so there is only one path truly worth going down
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:15 am to Rhino5
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He was the alpha male of a pride who had fought many battles to win and maintain his pride. With human intervention a smaller weaker lion will take the pride and birth smaller weaker cubs, weakening the species. Not that difficult to understand, but physics and Greek for some.
this is exactly what i was talking about in the other thread
lots of lion breeding experts have emerged in the pat 24 hours. a stunning amount of academic work has been put in, in a very short amount of time
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:19 am to SlowFlowPro
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well there is also the fact that we can do something to help girls being sold into slavery
Please, tell us all what that is. What are we not doing that could have stopped this already?
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:19 am to SlowFlowPro
It's like that everywhere in nature and why you only can get ugly fat girls. Myself and the other successful types married the hot ones lol.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:20 am to pennypacker3
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Trophy hunting is also counter-evolutionary
So are a lot of things humans accept in their society in order to be "progressive"
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:24 am to Rhino5
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It's like that everywhere in nature
you're vastly overstating the effects. it's not like another male who is strong enough to control the pride is going to create sickly babies
losing one male lion isn't going to make frick all of a difference in the big scheme
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and why you only can get ugly fat girls.
well that is the height of logical discourse
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:24 am to SlowFlowPro
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stopping big game hunting would lead to the extinction of many species
You've said this many times, but you've provided no evidence to support it. You merely presume that without hunting, of which only a small percentage of the proceeds goes to conservation and protection (its mostly guides profiting), then poaching will just subsume the species. Why is that correct?
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:25 am to Rhino5
Since most of the replies in this thread are emotion driven lets take a break from that for a min.
Cecil was a 13 year old lion. The life span of a male lion in the wild is 10-14 years. At some point in the very near future his cubs were going to be killed any way as this lion was nearing the end of his life span. It isn't like he was going to live for 15 more years and have 100's of more offspring.
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a smaller weaker lion will take the pride and birth smaller weaker cubs, weakening the species.
Cecil was a 13 year old lion. The life span of a male lion in the wild is 10-14 years. At some point in the very near future his cubs were going to be killed any way as this lion was nearing the end of his life span. It isn't like he was going to live for 15 more years and have 100's of more offspring.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:26 am to Bluefin
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I hate this attitude. "Let's not give a shite about other issues, there people around the world who have it bad!"
I didn't say this.
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I don't see why people can't get behind both causes.
I agree.
My point is the amount of outrage over a single freakin' lion.
People today are stupid lemmings. Jimmy Kimmel cries, some nutcases get all fired up and the next thing you know we are in an all out lather.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:28 am to FalseProphet
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You merely presume that without hunting, of which only a small percentage of the proceeds goes to conservation and protection (its mostly guides profiting), then poaching will just subsume the species. Why is that correct?
the hunting is part of the guided population control. they don't just assign the tags randomly. they use science to cull the herds to allow populations to sustain
the rhino example is the perfect example.
it's more than just the money. i will go look at that link posted later today but i don't think that is talking about the same sort of program that i am. the money paid for the tags goes to the governmental bodies. i don't see how that money goes to guides when i'm talking about buying permits from the government to hunt.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:30 am to FalseProphet
and other than funding the ability to protect the populations and fund the science to manage their populations, creating a commodity of the amimals raises their value. if we can't hunt them, their value is 0. that makes poaching extremely economically viable. the goal is to make poaching so expensive that rich asian men can't afford to fund these poachers
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:31 am to Bluefin
Legalize prostitution
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:31 am to SlowFlowPro
Have yall checked out the twitter feed from his office? Quite proactive.
https://twitter.com/RiverBlufDental
https://twitter.com/RiverBlufDental
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:32 am to Kingpenm3
why are there 43 pages about a dead cat 
do people really care about this? Or just bored
do people really care about this? Or just boredPosted on 7/29/15 at 9:34 am to Kingpenm3
I laughed way too hard at #lionlivesmatter
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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the hunting is part of the guided population control. they don't just assign the tags randomly. they use science to cull the herds to allow populations to sustain
Again, you assume that to be the case without any support. There is no evidence that any tags are issued to kill specific lions or that they are required to be of a certain age or in ill health. If there is, let me know.
Too many people in this thread have said that the only lions that are killed are ones that will help the population sustain itself. I have not seen one iota of evidence, anecdotal or otherwise, that such is the case.
Do you really think someone pays 50K to go kill a past its prime, aging, frail lion? I think not.
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