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I'm surprised Joel called him out on that.
I think AD is "softer" than most players, but I don't care that he gave up a basket after getting knocked out. I think that's ridiculous. And it was a really good pass, fwiw
I think AD is "softer" than most players, but I don't care that he gave up a basket after getting knocked out. I think that's ridiculous. And it was a really good pass, fwiw
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re: Time for some changes
Posted by Pellican on 12/29/15 at 9:34 am to TigerinATL
It feels strange to criticize an offense that is just outside of the top 10, but I imagine some of the problems with how we run offense manifest in our putrid defense.
I don't fault Gentry's system--instead, I look at a team full of players incapable of making split-second decisions. You can pretty much go down the roster and find that there aren't a lot of players who are quick to recognize a defense overplaying something. Some players make this recognition look effortless; most of ours make it look like the opposite. They're 2-3 seconds slow on everything. Add 3-5 non threats on offense to a low IQ team and this is what it looks like. I am honestly amazed that our offense has been this efficient so far.
I like many of the options that you named, but not a huge fan of Lawson. Maybe his dribble-driving is what we need to have a healthier flow to our offense, but given his character issues and defense (unless something has changed that I don't know about), I think he's a poor fit.
I don't fault Gentry's system--instead, I look at a team full of players incapable of making split-second decisions. You can pretty much go down the roster and find that there aren't a lot of players who are quick to recognize a defense overplaying something. Some players make this recognition look effortless; most of ours make it look like the opposite. They're 2-3 seconds slow on everything. Add 3-5 non threats on offense to a low IQ team and this is what it looks like. I am honestly amazed that our offense has been this efficient so far.
I like many of the options that you named, but not a huge fan of Lawson. Maybe his dribble-driving is what we need to have a healthier flow to our offense, but given his character issues and defense (unless something has changed that I don't know about), I think he's a poor fit.
At some point this year, my mom asked me to tell her (again) what value Asik brings to the table. I started explaining and then thought, "What the hell am I doing? I don't even believe this anymore."
Chicago Asik had value. Houston Asik had value. But this version of Asik has none.
Gentry compared him to Bogut at the beginning of the year because Asik is a good defender and can screen well, but there are major differences:
1) Bogut can pass
2) Bogut can set high screens, flare screens for GS's shooters, all of which require his man to help or force you to watch GS bomb you into oblivion.
Omer cannot pass and is setting screens for people who opposing teams are not afraid to leave open. Throw in Gee/Cunningham/guys who teams aren't afraid to leave to double, and you have the recipe for catastrophe. There's very often no shooting on the weak side of the floor and it's not like our players are adept skip passers anyway. So there's literally nothing holding weakside defenders at bay, which makes it easier for them to double and also easier for them to rebound (see our OReb rate, which is certainly not just a function of "transition defense").
There is a way to construct an offense where Asik isn't such a gigantic liability. But we don't have anything close to the personnel and does Asik really give enough to make designing a specific way worth it? I don't think so.
Overall, there is a serious lack of passing ability, length/athleticism at the wing, and it just looks so damn ugly.
This team has fallen so far short of national/local expectations and it's so depressing.
Chicago Asik had value. Houston Asik had value. But this version of Asik has none.
Gentry compared him to Bogut at the beginning of the year because Asik is a good defender and can screen well, but there are major differences:
1) Bogut can pass
2) Bogut can set high screens, flare screens for GS's shooters, all of which require his man to help or force you to watch GS bomb you into oblivion.
Omer cannot pass and is setting screens for people who opposing teams are not afraid to leave open. Throw in Gee/Cunningham/guys who teams aren't afraid to leave to double, and you have the recipe for catastrophe. There's very often no shooting on the weak side of the floor and it's not like our players are adept skip passers anyway. So there's literally nothing holding weakside defenders at bay, which makes it easier for them to double and also easier for them to rebound (see our OReb rate, which is certainly not just a function of "transition defense").
There is a way to construct an offense where Asik isn't such a gigantic liability. But we don't have anything close to the personnel and does Asik really give enough to make designing a specific way worth it? I don't think so.
Overall, there is a serious lack of passing ability, length/athleticism at the wing, and it just looks so damn ugly.
This team has fallen so far short of national/local expectations and it's so depressing.
I'll probably complain, but I agree.. can't be making conclusions about a team when 4-5 key players are missing.
Think Ajinca is a little better than given credit for, but yes, agreed on all other points. Missed Gordon though--who is an asset, albeit one who is nowhere near a competent primary ball-handler. The shooting is awesome.
re: Ish Smith - asset or just a fill-in?
Posted by Pellican on 11/12/15 at 11:14 am to Upperdecker
Calling him an asset is a stretch. Is he someone I'm okay with as my 5th guard? Sure. Is he someone who makes the players around him noticeably better? No. Am I asking myself too many questions? Yes.
Ish has good passing skill, but functionally, he does not facilitate good, or even adequate, offensive flow.
What I mean by that is this--it is very hard to be a positive presence on offense if defenses don't respect you. Passing ability and scoring ability are often evaluated separately, but an inability to do either will affect your ability to do the other. Ish's inability to score affects his ability to assimilate into an offense with good flow.
Ish is not a good scorer, which is evident in any efficiency metric (TS%, 3P%, 2P%, FT%, etc.) or any volume metric (USG, PTS/36, etc.). He doesn't score a lot and is horribly inefficient from every area of the floor. Seriously, his career numbers are putrid.
I think Ish has a good feel for the game (check his AST/TO #s), but there are some very real holes in his game that will prevent him from ever being a major minute-earner for a good team.
Ish has good passing skill, but functionally, he does not facilitate good, or even adequate, offensive flow.
What I mean by that is this--it is very hard to be a positive presence on offense if defenses don't respect you. Passing ability and scoring ability are often evaluated separately, but an inability to do either will affect your ability to do the other. Ish's inability to score affects his ability to assimilate into an offense with good flow.
Ish is not a good scorer, which is evident in any efficiency metric (TS%, 3P%, 2P%, FT%, etc.) or any volume metric (USG, PTS/36, etc.). He doesn't score a lot and is horribly inefficient from every area of the floor. Seriously, his career numbers are putrid.
I think Ish has a good feel for the game (check his AST/TO #s), but there are some very real holes in his game that will prevent him from ever being a major minute-earner for a good team.
Didn't say we will suddenly turn into a title team. It'd be ridiculous to expect no injuries. Just saying it's equally ridiculous to think we are the 3rd worst team in the NBA. Particularly when Vegas pegged our O/U around 47.
I live in a world where I don't make sweeping conclusions about NBA teams after 4 games, particularly when they are missing 4 players who earn major minutes.
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We are definitely the worst in the Western Conference. We are probably slightly better than Brooklyn and Philly, but that's not really saying much.
What world do you live in?
Think our offense has been very fast-paced. Can recall plenty of shots very early in the shot clock.
Past that, drawing sweeping conclusions from 2 games with .5 Jrue, no Tyreke, no Asik, no QPon, and no Cole seems hasty. The first 1.5 games were an absolute train wreck, but the defense started to figure things out in the 2nd half vs. Portland and the offense showed some signs of life as well. 2.4% of our season is over.
Ish can get wherever he wants and is a solid passer, but he's not really a threat to score and other teams know it (see career percentages). Dante is unlikely to take a shot early in the shot clock, so creating an opp for him early is usually wasted. Kendrick Perkins' efficiency has been nothing short of a miracle, but screening is all he offers.
Despite all the things listed above that detract from pace, we've still managed to squeeze out a lot of possessions in two games. The pace is there.
Past that, drawing sweeping conclusions from 2 games with .5 Jrue, no Tyreke, no Asik, no QPon, and no Cole seems hasty. The first 1.5 games were an absolute train wreck, but the defense started to figure things out in the 2nd half vs. Portland and the offense showed some signs of life as well. 2.4% of our season is over.
Ish can get wherever he wants and is a solid passer, but he's not really a threat to score and other teams know it (see career percentages). Dante is unlikely to take a shot early in the shot clock, so creating an opp for him early is usually wasted. Kendrick Perkins' efficiency has been nothing short of a miracle, but screening is all he offers.
Despite all the things listed above that detract from pace, we've still managed to squeeze out a lot of possessions in two games. The pace is there.
Wonder if that's a Monty thing or a Tyreke thing.
His last year with the Kings, think Tyreke generated 25% of his offense in transition. In regards to pace, I don't worry that Tyreke doesn't like to run.
My worries with Tyreke/pace: pace is more than just sprinting up the floor. Capitalizing upon increased pace requires players who know what is a "good shot" and a "bad shot." Have never been impressed by Tyreke's awareness or decision-making.. but do think that having more opportunities to attack when the defense is swinging (from what will presumably be more ball movement) and also in transition will still benefit him.
His last year with the Kings, think Tyreke generated 25% of his offense in transition. In regards to pace, I don't worry that Tyreke doesn't like to run.
My worries with Tyreke/pace: pace is more than just sprinting up the floor. Capitalizing upon increased pace requires players who know what is a "good shot" and a "bad shot." Have never been impressed by Tyreke's awareness or decision-making.. but do think that having more opportunities to attack when the defense is swinging (from what will presumably be more ball movement) and also in transition will still benefit him.
re: McNamara
Posted by Pellican on 9/18/15 at 10:23 am to Hester Carries
I understood your point. :cheers:
re: McNamara
Posted by Pellican on 9/18/15 at 7:37 am to Hester Carries
In Mac's defense, I don't believe he has ever tried to exterminate all the Jewish people in the world. So applying the same logic to both of them may be slightly inappropriate.
Mac and Schwan's podcast got me thinking about basketball instead of passively watching it. Mac will be missed.
Mac and Schwan's podcast got me thinking about basketball instead of passively watching it. Mac will be missed.
In-depth knowledge of the CBA and front office tactics are not my strong points, but given how little financial flexibility we have, we can't make much of a splash anyway.
If we sign him to an offer sheet, we can't S&T. Not that we have much to give Houston in a S&T anyway.
If we sign him to an offer sheet, we can't S&T. Not that we have much to give Houston in a S&T anyway.
re: Pels are interested in offering KJ McDaniels
Posted by Pellican on 7/9/15 at 8:44 am to LosLobos111
I'd be a big fan of this. Don't think KJ is someone who'd consistently contribute for at least another year, but someone I think could be a very good swingman if put into the right culture/development setting. There is a lot to work with here.
Agreed. I remember your pod with Amin a while back where he was saying that some guys come into the league with so many things that they could be good at and it becomes a sort of curse, because they never master any one thing. Davis is the opposite of that--pretty much everything is obtainable and he's mastering things more quickly than anyone could've imagined. Raw becomes refined so quickly with him.
I feel like there was some quote this summer about Davis taking ATB 3s as well as corner 3s--if that's the case, yeah, a pretty simple action to get Davis a look if he's feeling it. And I love the idea of Jrue being in Kevin Martin's (? gif a bit blurry) place there. And that's one of my favorite extensions of Davis's ability as a passer, because I think Jrue could be a very good cutter. Movement tends to open up cutting lanes and I'm curious to see if that's the case with Gentry's new offense. Could use that same sort of action to isolate Jrue in the post as well.
Using Dirk as a comparison is probably best. Davis is some sort of weird hybrid of Dirk/Tyson. Which is all sorts of awesome.
I'm not worried about Davis becoming Aldridge because Davis can find the ball/opportunities in so many ways that Aldridge never could. His activity off the ball is a somewhat natural barrier to a LA-style game.
Using Dirk as a comparison is probably best. Davis is some sort of weird hybrid of Dirk/Tyson. Which is all sorts of awesome.
I'm not worried about Davis becoming Aldridge because Davis can find the ball/opportunities in so many ways that Aldridge never could. His activity off the ball is a somewhat natural barrier to a LA-style game.
Could probably add that Davis also isn't the best at stopping his momentum when he drives/avoiding charges
I agree--and to be clear, I don't want Davis simply standing in the corner, because the last thing you want to do with Davis is take him away from the action. I think there are times during a game where DC and Davis wind up being very close to the corner and getting kick-outs. Those are the times where I think it's okay to hoist a 3, assuming he can get those giant feet behind the line without stepping out of bounds. It's still amazing how Ryno does that, particularly since he's not exactly known for his mobility.
I think Davis's dribbling will always be limited to beating his guy 1 on 1. Guys that big aren't going to be splitting defenders or maneuvering through traffic. The ball is too high, and because the league is increasingly valuing quickness over size on defense, there are so many second defenders who could swipe at the ball.
I think Davis's dribbling will always be limited to beating his guy 1 on 1. Guys that big aren't going to be splitting defenders or maneuvering through traffic. The ball is too high, and because the league is increasingly valuing quickness over size on defense, there are so many second defenders who could swipe at the ball.
TD is a very good place to get aggregated Pels info--and as I've transitioned to a big boy job, I have less time to scroll through 1000s of tweets to find that info myself. TD is a very valuable resource and there is definitely some great dialogue. So I'll probably be more active here than I used to be. :cheers:
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