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chismyluv
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re: Miles integrity exposed his inability
Posted by chismyluv on 9/27/16 at 7:42 am to SpookeyTiger
Some have suggested Miles was willfully misleading LSU fans for 8 months all the while not planning on doing anything different in the opener.
I'm saying he thought he was honestly making quality changes and upgrades. He was keeping his word. But it was clear that his definition of a quality team is not the current one in the majority of programs. How else could he literally say that they ran the same play on Monday and the offense scored a touchdown? Say what coach? Are you serious?
Well,yes he was as he saw things much differently than most, yet every person and his brother watching saw just the same tired run-centric offense.
I'm saying he thought he was honestly making quality changes and upgrades. He was keeping his word. But it was clear that his definition of a quality team is not the current one in the majority of programs. How else could he literally say that they ran the same play on Monday and the offense scored a touchdown? Say what coach? Are you serious?
Well,yes he was as he saw things much differently than most, yet every person and his brother watching saw just the same tired run-centric offense.
re: Miles integrity exposed his inability
Posted by chismyluv on 9/27/16 at 7:32 am to Mr. Hangover
Fair enough. We know the reason but the likes of ESPN and other tv pundits are mostly saying we were idiots and reactionary in letting him go.
re: The only reason the mainstream sports media are butthurt over Miles
Posted by chismyluv on 9/27/16 at 7:30 am to lsutigers1992
It was amazing to see on the ESPN website the angst all the "professional" writers were having in saying that LSU fans were crazy to fire him and we would miss him way sooner than we thought, all the while literally a few stories beneath that story were the headlines of how Miles own stubborn and recalcitrant offensive scheme was his own undoing.
They were flat out contradicting themselves JUST so they could say "We told you so, you bunch of unskilled yet entitled Monday morning quarterbacks called LSU fans"
Well which is it geniuses at ESPN?
They were flat out contradicting themselves JUST so they could say "We told you so, you bunch of unskilled yet entitled Monday morning quarterbacks called LSU fans"
Well which is it geniuses at ESPN?
re: Miles integrity exposed his inability
Posted by chismyluv on 9/27/16 at 7:20 am to tigerpimpbot
Exactly.
Meant to say
"2016 quality SEC football team is not equal to a 1975 quality Big Ten football team."
"2016 quality SEC football team is not equal to a 1975 quality Big Ten football team."
Miles integrity exposed his inability
Posted by chismyluv on 9/27/16 at 7:14 am
Some folks won't and therefore don't change their thinking in order to keep pace with, or at least stay knowledgable of, the latest advances in their professional field. They stick their heads in the sand, content to use the same archaic tools that made things run smoothly 30 years ago, while the current innovators of their profession design new cutting-edge tools by applying new knowledge to new technologies to create quantum advances in their industry.
For some, the "new way" of doing things is too daunting and unnerving, so they cling even more tightly to the security of what they know best, knowing all the while that "giving up" on "keeping up" means they are marginalizing themselves completely into irrelevance.
The second reason some won't and don't keep pace is that they simply aren't intellectually skilled nor mentally capable of sustaining the requisite edginess to keep pace with the new way of doing things.
I believe that Les Miles fully intended to change the scheme and make the changes to LSU's offense to keep it relevant. In the end, however, he simply didn't have either the passion to learn or the acuity to grasp what is meant in 2016 to have a "QUALITY" college football program.
Simply put, a 2016 QUALITY SEC football team ? 1975 QUALITY Big Ten football team.
For some, the "new way" of doing things is too daunting and unnerving, so they cling even more tightly to the security of what they know best, knowing all the while that "giving up" on "keeping up" means they are marginalizing themselves completely into irrelevance.
The second reason some won't and don't keep pace is that they simply aren't intellectually skilled nor mentally capable of sustaining the requisite edginess to keep pace with the new way of doing things.
I believe that Les Miles fully intended to change the scheme and make the changes to LSU's offense to keep it relevant. In the end, however, he simply didn't have either the passion to learn or the acuity to grasp what is meant in 2016 to have a "QUALITY" college football program.
Simply put, a 2016 QUALITY SEC football team ? 1975 QUALITY Big Ten football team.
re: 1 Reason to give Miles 1 more chance
Posted by chismyluv on 9/7/16 at 3:40 pm to WackyChris
I'm with you. Never will forget that national humiliation, and yet our awesome players are saddled with the same head case of a coach. I just don't get it and never will.

re: 1 Reason to give Miles 1 more chance
Posted by chismyluv on 9/7/16 at 2:50 pm to WackyChris
Proud of your ignorance I see.
re: 1 Reason to give Miles 1 more chance
Posted by chismyluv on 9/7/16 at 2:43 pm to WackyChris
Sagacious!
The link was to the embarrassment of Alabama shoving Miles same offense back down our throats in the most humiliating loss I can remember, and I have been an ardent fan since the 70's.
Point? If we had played the Sabanites last Saturday, would the outcome have been any different than what it was back in 2012?
Answer? YES, we wouldn't have crossed the 50 for the entire game!
Yet what's different from that day until now except possibly more talent and different names on different jerseys?
I'm almost feeling sorry for the man as I seriously question his cognitive faculties.
Point? If we had played the Sabanites last Saturday, would the outcome have been any different than what it was back in 2012?
Answer? YES, we wouldn't have crossed the 50 for the entire game!
Yet what's different from that day until now except possibly more talent and different names on different jerseys?
I'm almost feeling sorry for the man as I seriously question his cognitive faculties.
You mean "Can't Read it"?
It's called sarcasm. What a bright future you have!

It's called sarcasm. What a bright future you have!
1 Reason to give Miles 1 more chance
Posted by chismyluv on 9/7/16 at 1:52 pm
re: LSU should go after Mark Richt and get #2 quarterback Jacob Eason in the process
Posted by chismyluv on 11/30/15 at 4:34 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
Les already plays with a 20th century perspective. Let's try a 21st century version.
Definitely a resounding "No" to Richt for OC. Just snag their QB recruit.
Should be an easy sell to the recruit since Les is now going to finally come to his senses and modify the offensive scheme. And I mean offensive as in derogatory, insolent and disrespectful, not the football definition.
Should be an easy sell to the recruit since Les is now going to finally come to his senses and modify the offensive scheme. And I mean offensive as in derogatory, insolent and disrespectful, not the football definition.
Agreed, but it's damage control and all hands on deck at this point.
Only 2-principal pieces to complete the offensive picture, a new coordinator and new QB. Still have a potential Heisman back returning, top tier receivers, tight end and fullback, and hopefully we have multiple returners on offensive line, etc.
In terms of righting the offensive side of the equation, we still have a strong case to make to recruits that will stack up against any team in the country.
The caveat will perennially be "if Miles doesn't interject himself into the offensive schemes and play calling."
Only 2-principal pieces to complete the offensive picture, a new coordinator and new QB. Still have a potential Heisman back returning, top tier receivers, tight end and fullback, and hopefully we have multiple returners on offensive line, etc.
In terms of righting the offensive side of the equation, we still have a strong case to make to recruits that will stack up against any team in the country.
The caveat will perennially be "if Miles doesn't interject himself into the offensive schemes and play calling."
Didn't see that Herman is a done deal. Is it?
Go after any UGA QB commits now?
Posted by chismyluv on 11/30/15 at 6:40 am
Haven't looked to see if UGA had any top qb commits for '16, but seems like a reasonable place for LSU to look to replace FFranks. Maybe they have commits that are now reconsidering their options with Richt gone. And seems logical since we now have zero commits for that position. Keeping Miles and UGA ditching Richt at least affords LSU the recruiting angle that we heard would be used against us were Miles evicted.
Thoughts anyone?
Thoughts anyone?
By the way, you don't think these problems are mentioned by recruiters from other schools? Of course not. Saban would never point to last nights game as an example of what a prospect can look forward to.
I actually agree with most of what you are saying. My original question related to how or even if the coaches/recruiters may have to modify some of their draws for the prospects in light of the persistent problems.
I imagine that a quick read of articles on the football coaching, not PR articles but objective print, will no doubt contain very similar words or phrases. Such as:
1) Clock management
2) play calling. Calling the same set of plays over and over again.
3) limited playbook. It's one thing to call the same plays, another to have a limited number of plays altogether. Example, a team can have 100 different plays, but if they are calling the same 20, the playbook is by definition limited. Conversely, a 30 page playbook with the same 20 plays called all the time gives the same results. LSU is not known for calling certain types of plays at all. Compare with say Oregon. I understand players dictate largely what gets called. But would someone say we don't have the speed or talent to pull off some Oregon-type run plays? No I wouldn't. So, I don't think some offensive schemes are even on the table, no matter what's called.
4) Predictability. Honestly, I wonder how hard LSU is to prepare for compared to TaM? Why is that? Again, LSU's mo is ground and pound, as opposed to last year where there was a nice variety of pass/run plays.
How many times are we going to ask to see the tight ends passed to? Or, with the backs we have, why not a wildcat with Fournette and any other back?
Point is, these issues remain a constant. And they travel with the recruiters to every prospects interview. So I just ask, how does the "sell" get enough affected by the reminders of these issues in games like last night.
I imagine that a quick read of articles on the football coaching, not PR articles but objective print, will no doubt contain very similar words or phrases. Such as:
1) Clock management
2) play calling. Calling the same set of plays over and over again.
3) limited playbook. It's one thing to call the same plays, another to have a limited number of plays altogether. Example, a team can have 100 different plays, but if they are calling the same 20, the playbook is by definition limited. Conversely, a 30 page playbook with the same 20 plays called all the time gives the same results. LSU is not known for calling certain types of plays at all. Compare with say Oregon. I understand players dictate largely what gets called. But would someone say we don't have the speed or talent to pull off some Oregon-type run plays? No I wouldn't. So, I don't think some offensive schemes are even on the table, no matter what's called.
4) Predictability. Honestly, I wonder how hard LSU is to prepare for compared to TaM? Why is that? Again, LSU's mo is ground and pound, as opposed to last year where there was a nice variety of pass/run plays.
How many times are we going to ask to see the tight ends passed to? Or, with the backs we have, why not a wildcat with Fournette and any other back?
Point is, these issues remain a constant. And they travel with the recruiters to every prospects interview. So I just ask, how does the "sell" get enough affected by the reminders of these issues in games like last night.
Alabama has 40 and LSU 41 in NFL, if I read ESPN correctly. Negligible difference.
Totally agree about Death Valley. Been there many times and no place like it.
Don't limit the lost recruits to just AL.
My point was simple and a fair question to be asked I think. LSU/Miles/Coaches have demonstrably shown either the inability or incapacity to correct the most glaring of shortcomings in coaching and game play. LSU's mystique is not always positive, as their are negatives in its persona as well. Hence, the monicker "mad hatter."
And last night these issues, not all of them mind you, were on full display in prime time. With a bevy of potential prospects soaking ALL of it in, not only the atmosphere, but the more tangible variables to them as players, I.e. the game performance itself, I simply wonder the future impact nights like last night will have on recruiting. I says nights plural as I ask further, do you think we've seen the last of such things?
I imagine you're saying no!
Totally agree about Death Valley. Been there many times and no place like it.
Don't limit the lost recruits to just AL.
My point was simple and a fair question to be asked I think. LSU/Miles/Coaches have demonstrably shown either the inability or incapacity to correct the most glaring of shortcomings in coaching and game play. LSU's mystique is not always positive, as their are negatives in its persona as well. Hence, the monicker "mad hatter."
And last night these issues, not all of them mind you, were on full display in prime time. With a bevy of potential prospects soaking ALL of it in, not only the atmosphere, but the more tangible variables to them as players, I.e. the game performance itself, I simply wonder the future impact nights like last night will have on recruiting. I says nights plural as I ask further, do you think we've seen the last of such things?
I imagine you're saying no!
Chilge, your 3rd response...substitute AL in the question and your answer is the same, relatively, without all the intangibles of the Hatter.
This is why, imo, we are constantly out-recruited by Saban and they often steal our states talent.
Oh and uh...a few more recent championship games and titles!
This is why, imo, we are constantly out-recruited by Saban and they often steal our states talent.
Oh and uh...a few more recent championship games and titles!
Wil, your #3 is concerning and frankly how I see these repetitive issues having a snowball effect. Poor decisions produce poor(embarrassing) national TV results. So, recruits don't come. So, talent wanes. Ergo, more poor embarrassing national TV results. I just hope we don't end up back in the curly Hallman days, as I was a faithful fan back then.
I don't live and breathe LSU football but my family and kids have a great family night when LSU plays. It's just disheartening to keep seeing the same well-documented issues NEVER rectified. The examples are almost innumerable. Just one? Time management. What's up with a time out with .03 seconds before the half?
And are we really to believe Miles had the forsight to call this so personnel could get to the locker room early? Yeah right. Reference? October 2010 UT end of game and Miles subsequent lying about what he was yelling for Jefferson to do.
I don't live and breathe LSU football but my family and kids have a great family night when LSU plays. It's just disheartening to keep seeing the same well-documented issues NEVER rectified. The examples are almost innumerable. Just one? Time management. What's up with a time out with .03 seconds before the half?
And are we really to believe Miles had the forsight to call this so personnel could get to the locker room early? Yeah right. Reference? October 2010 UT end of game and Miles subsequent lying about what he was yelling for Jefferson to do.
re: Who can answer these simple questions?
Posted by chismyluv on 9/21/14 at 11:08 am to seinfeldtiger
OT Collins for one
Who can answer these simple questions?
Posted by chismyluv on 9/21/14 at 10:57 am
Looking at the lay of the land at this moment and the foreboding prospects of a potential sub-par year, some previously unasked questions come to the fore:
1) How are any players that opted to stay for this year feeling now about their choice?
2) How might those players draft stock be affected in real dollars and location in the draft?
3) What plausible motifs do the LSU coaches now use to compel top-tier prospects to come join the party, other than the standard "We need you now, you can play now." approach? A "defeater" in the debate is the persistently stubborn offensive philosophy and play calling, as even if recruits believe they can walk in and walk on the field from day 1, the plays are the plays & the schemes the schemes, stubbornly.
4) How does Fournette's heisman pose now get perceived?
5) How does Magee feel right now, all things considered?
6) Who, if anyone, has the relationship with Miles and actually COULD address the universally-recognized redundant offensive play calling?
7) Anyone here want to defend the notion that Saban's program experiences the same perennial vicissitudes in performance that Miles's program does? That is, who would argue that AL suffers similarly wide swings in the quality of recruiting cycles all the way through to game performance? ...
There is a constancy in quality 2 states over in AL that LSU does NOT measure up to. Why is that?
8) Lastly, in a word, for the prospects in attendance, did last nights game, ONE GAME mind you, make/break anyone's decision?
I would appreciate the serious and contemplative thoughts of those that have a greater insight than myself.
1) How are any players that opted to stay for this year feeling now about their choice?
2) How might those players draft stock be affected in real dollars and location in the draft?
3) What plausible motifs do the LSU coaches now use to compel top-tier prospects to come join the party, other than the standard "We need you now, you can play now." approach? A "defeater" in the debate is the persistently stubborn offensive philosophy and play calling, as even if recruits believe they can walk in and walk on the field from day 1, the plays are the plays & the schemes the schemes, stubbornly.
4) How does Fournette's heisman pose now get perceived?
5) How does Magee feel right now, all things considered?
6) Who, if anyone, has the relationship with Miles and actually COULD address the universally-recognized redundant offensive play calling?
7) Anyone here want to defend the notion that Saban's program experiences the same perennial vicissitudes in performance that Miles's program does? That is, who would argue that AL suffers similarly wide swings in the quality of recruiting cycles all the way through to game performance? ...
There is a constancy in quality 2 states over in AL that LSU does NOT measure up to. Why is that?
8) Lastly, in a word, for the prospects in attendance, did last nights game, ONE GAME mind you, make/break anyone's decision?
I would appreciate the serious and contemplative thoughts of those that have a greater insight than myself.
Oh the bravery of anonymity. It's called trying a little levity. Care to compare curriculum veritae? Guess not. Now go google the phrase quickly and come back with another erudite witticism.
ahh the genius has a repartee in the offing. Go back to your booze and porn punk!
Overheard @ MS St. coach/player mtg. last week
Posted by chismyluv on 9/21/14 at 9:37 am
LM: "Ok men, when we face a 5-3 line, let's shown them smash-mouth LSU football. Pull out your offensive play sheet, front page. We're running play Alpha, tailback off tackle right."
LM: "When we face a 6-5 line, turn your sheet over. We're running play Zebra, tailback TOSS off tackle left."
LM: "Phil, pull up the clip, 2010 Tennessee. When we face a 13 man front like you see here boys, we're running our one memory play, fullback dive left."
"Ok men. Don't forget to study your video homework. Remember the focus is our new pro-style offense. Tonight's clips are from the 1989 Dallas Cowboys.
Questions?"
(Inaudible)
LM: "That's a quality question. You mean the receivers and tight end? Fainting goat."
LM: "Ok men. Lots of recruits this weekend. Let's show them LSU football! See ya."
LM: "When we face a 6-5 line, turn your sheet over. We're running play Zebra, tailback TOSS off tackle left."
LM: "Phil, pull up the clip, 2010 Tennessee. When we face a 13 man front like you see here boys, we're running our one memory play, fullback dive left."
"Ok men. Don't forget to study your video homework. Remember the focus is our new pro-style offense. Tonight's clips are from the 1989 Dallas Cowboys.
Questions?"
(Inaudible)
LM: "That's a quality question. You mean the receivers and tight end? Fainting goat."
LM: "Ok men. Lots of recruits this weekend. Let's show them LSU football! See ya."
quote:
You should really post more
Do I detect sarcasm? If not, you should note that kindness, sincerity, and general goodwill is not tolerated on this board.
And if not, thx.
Man Miles gets into their heads and won't go away.
Matthieu obviously, just like LM, can't make any adjustments to his game plan, and keeps calling the same plays and expects different results.
Matthieu obviously, just like LM, can't make any adjustments to his game plan, and keeps calling the same plays and expects different results.
I suggest you find Mathieu, offer him some weed, and hope you become fast friends. That would probably make you the 2 stupidest people in the stadium, hated by most, but out of respect for him and his contributions to the team last year, you MIGHT...might...not need your health insurance deductible that night.
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