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Latech80
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re: Haynesville Shale
Posted by Latech80 on 3/19/09 at 6:30 pm to Checkmateking2
If I remember correctly, I was told that identifying where the HS was economically productive was "divulging proprietary information," but I guess that's no longer relevant.
At any rate, I'm not drinking the Kool-Aid on this one. If you're satisfied with the present definition given the potential of horizontal drilling...well, to put it in the words of a geologist, there are some people who believe vertical is all there is.
Tell me this. If the HS is well-defined, then why would anyone decide to lease land in Mississippi for what? Haynesville Shale. And why, oh why, would anyone such as XTO bother to initiate a multi-thousand-acre land grab in southern Arkansas.
No, I'm not trying to make anyone angry, but at the same time, I believe the conventional wisdom espoused by some industry insiders is an attempt to regulate the forthcoming discoveries. It hasn't worked to date, and won't in the future.
I'd start thinking outside the box.
At any rate, I'm not drinking the Kool-Aid on this one. If you're satisfied with the present definition given the potential of horizontal drilling...well, to put it in the words of a geologist, there are some people who believe vertical is all there is.
Tell me this. If the HS is well-defined, then why would anyone decide to lease land in Mississippi for what? Haynesville Shale. And why, oh why, would anyone such as XTO bother to initiate a multi-thousand-acre land grab in southern Arkansas.
No, I'm not trying to make anyone angry, but at the same time, I believe the conventional wisdom espoused by some industry insiders is an attempt to regulate the forthcoming discoveries. It hasn't worked to date, and won't in the future.
I'd start thinking outside the box.
Can you or anyone else define for me in terms of parishes exactly where the HS is? Your answer implies that their are definite geographic limits to it, and I beg to differ due to the redefinitions that are presently taking place (as per www.gohaynesvilleshale.com).
re: Haynesville Shale
Posted by Latech80 on 3/19/09 at 9:53 am to EliLafleur
Well, this comment isn't going to earn me any brownie points with the industry insiders. In fact, I intend to challenge the extant MO with the following observation.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I do not believe the activity taking place right now in NW LA is in large part a result of the vaunted horizontal drilling technology we keep hearing about. I believe if it was, the area of involvement would be a lot larger than presently known. Here's my prediction.
I believe once this technology is employed on a massive scale, the calculus used to determine which areas are desirable and which aren't is going to change drastically. Areas previously thought unproductive will reverse trend, and areas previously unexplored will open up.
Yes, the national economy is in the tank right now, and with commercial paper coming due in the 3rd and 4th quarter of 2009, earnings reports will read like entries from an Alfred Hitchcock movie, but that's not my point. When this technology is employed on a massive scale, there will be a resurgence of economic activity in North Louisiana because companies will act to maintain and/or increase market share, and the USA will experience increased energy independence.
One man's opinion!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I do not believe the activity taking place right now in NW LA is in large part a result of the vaunted horizontal drilling technology we keep hearing about. I believe if it was, the area of involvement would be a lot larger than presently known. Here's my prediction.
I believe once this technology is employed on a massive scale, the calculus used to determine which areas are desirable and which aren't is going to change drastically. Areas previously thought unproductive will reverse trend, and areas previously unexplored will open up.
Yes, the national economy is in the tank right now, and with commercial paper coming due in the 3rd and 4th quarter of 2009, earnings reports will read like entries from an Alfred Hitchcock movie, but that's not my point. When this technology is employed on a massive scale, there will be a resurgence of economic activity in North Louisiana because companies will act to maintain and/or increase market share, and the USA will experience increased energy independence.
One man's opinion!
re: Haynesville Shale
Posted by Latech80 on 3/3/09 at 10:29 am to GeneralLee
Checkmateking,
Yeah, I did that, and the imagery wasn't clear in my mind as to what parishes were included/excluded. I was just looking to see if anyone could give me a written explanation about how far north, south, east, and west it extends.
If you know, I would appreciate your thoughts!
Yeah, I did that, and the imagery wasn't clear in my mind as to what parishes were included/excluded. I was just looking to see if anyone could give me a written explanation about how far north, south, east, and west it extends.
If you know, I would appreciate your thoughts!
re: Haynesville Shale
Posted by Latech80 on 3/3/09 at 9:38 am to GeneralLee
www.gohaynesvilleshale.com. Exco Resources financials are under the Claiborne Parish thread. Sign up is required.
In a recent posting on the gohaynesvilleshale.com website, someone posted the latest financials from Exco Resources. In the foreword to the financials is a description of their discoveries, along with their beliefs about what lies ahead, and prominent mention is given to the "North Louisiana Salt Basin."
Does anyone know what parishes this covers in North La? How far east does it go, how far north, et cetera?
Does anyone know what parishes this covers in North La? How far east does it go, how far north, et cetera?
Chesapeake CEO Aubrey McClendon said this week (article posted on www.gohaynesvilleshale.com) that he expects the HS formation play to double in size.
What he means by that is uncertain, but I can tell you the attempts in the past to limit the scope and breadth of the formation are laughable. It may be more economically feasible to extract hydrocarbons from Red River Parish, rather than the northeastern parts of Claiborne Parish, but to make a blanket statement that the formation doesn't exist there is an inane conclusion.
Trust me on this one, today's technology far surpasses the vertical tech of old, and places previously considered untouchable have become accessible.
Stay tuned!
What he means by that is uncertain, but I can tell you the attempts in the past to limit the scope and breadth of the formation are laughable. It may be more economically feasible to extract hydrocarbons from Red River Parish, rather than the northeastern parts of Claiborne Parish, but to make a blanket statement that the formation doesn't exist there is an inane conclusion.
Trust me on this one, today's technology far surpasses the vertical tech of old, and places previously considered untouchable have become accessible.
Stay tuned!
re: Haynesville Shale
Posted by Latech80 on 12/30/08 at 11:31 am to TigerStuckinOkieland
Needless to say, we live in a different era, and the technology is certainly different from yesteryear, which brings me to the following question: In the past, conventional plays were known to leave 70% to 80% of the hydrocarbons in the well before it was plugged and abandoned. Different day, different paradigms. What are we looking at today in terms of future production?
I refuse to believe that the majors are going to let the present potentials existing in north Louisiana languish while they roll the dice with OPEC. The geopolitical scene is such that any moment, should the Iranians close the Strait of Hormuz, for example, we could all be back to escalating prices. I would think domestic economies of scale would dictate something on the scale of what took place with the Barnett Shale.
Mind you, these are the musings of a 3rd-generation plowboy (from Junction City) hoping for better days. If my assumptions are off, please tell me...no offense will be taken.
I refuse to believe that the majors are going to let the present potentials existing in north Louisiana languish while they roll the dice with OPEC. The geopolitical scene is such that any moment, should the Iranians close the Strait of Hormuz, for example, we could all be back to escalating prices. I would think domestic economies of scale would dictate something on the scale of what took place with the Barnett Shale.
Mind you, these are the musings of a 3rd-generation plowboy (from Junction City) hoping for better days. If my assumptions are off, please tell me...no offense will be taken.
Gentlemen, if we can get back on point here...a little more civility and a lot less flame-throwing will benefit everyone tremendously.
Let me ask this question. I'm told that the primary formations along the Arkansas/Louisiana line are the Cotton Valley Sand, Smackover Sand, and the Haynesville Sand. Industry lore has it that the HS formation does not extend into eastern Claiborne Parish/Union Parishes. I find that an odd assertion given what is going on right now in extreme southern Arkansas with HS exploration actually taking place, but for purposes of exposition, I will leave that one be.
Tell me, are these formations economically viable? Are these formations present in eastern Claiborne/Union Parishes. I'm not an industry insider, just a 3rd-generation landowner who was around when conventional drilling and exploration was all there was.Now, with the extant technology, I believe we may be on the cusp of something bigger.
I just want to know what is on the horizon for all of us. Animal husbandry played out for my family a long time ago. Here's hoping there's something better out there.
Let me ask this question. I'm told that the primary formations along the Arkansas/Louisiana line are the Cotton Valley Sand, Smackover Sand, and the Haynesville Sand. Industry lore has it that the HS formation does not extend into eastern Claiborne Parish/Union Parishes. I find that an odd assertion given what is going on right now in extreme southern Arkansas with HS exploration actually taking place, but for purposes of exposition, I will leave that one be.
Tell me, are these formations economically viable? Are these formations present in eastern Claiborne/Union Parishes. I'm not an industry insider, just a 3rd-generation landowner who was around when conventional drilling and exploration was all there was.Now, with the extant technology, I believe we may be on the cusp of something bigger.
I just want to know what is on the horizon for all of us. Animal husbandry played out for my family a long time ago. Here's hoping there's something better out there.
re: Haynesville Shale
Posted by Latech80 on 12/24/08 at 3:11 pm to Checkmateking2
Checkmateking,
I understand that there are variations of shale that are red or gray. I'm with you...the drillers' logs I've seen were from 1951 and 1953 and they are repetitive in nature; that is, they either mention shale, shale with sand, lime, or whatever and the color give is red or gray with lime mixed in. I would think that with today's technology, that would be an entirely different game, but what do I know.
BTW, they are on the Union Parish thread of www.gohaynesvilleshale.com
Merry Christmas!
I understand that there are variations of shale that are red or gray. I'm with you...the drillers' logs I've seen were from 1951 and 1953 and they are repetitive in nature; that is, they either mention shale, shale with sand, lime, or whatever and the color give is red or gray with lime mixed in. I would think that with today's technology, that would be an entirely different game, but what do I know.
BTW, they are on the Union Parish thread of www.gohaynesvilleshale.com
Merry Christmas!
re: Haynesville Shale
Posted by Latech80 on 12/24/08 at 12:37 pm to Checkmateking2
i'm not a geologist, so I am speaking from a standpoint of ignorance, if you will, but I wanted to pose several questions in the hope of clarifying some personal confusion I have.
Does the hue of the shale make a difference? It is my understanding that dark/black shale is more productive than red. Also, what is TOC? Finally, in the driller's log of a preponderence of sand and shale show up, is this a good thing?
My questions stem from some 1950's vintage drillers' logs where shale and/or shale mixed with sand showed up. To my simple way of thinking, much can be gained by going after these deposits even in wells that have been plugged and abandoned provided the new frac technology and other emerging practices are employed.
Any thoughts?
BTW, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
Does the hue of the shale make a difference? It is my understanding that dark/black shale is more productive than red. Also, what is TOC? Finally, in the driller's log of a preponderence of sand and shale show up, is this a good thing?
My questions stem from some 1950's vintage drillers' logs where shale and/or shale mixed with sand showed up. To my simple way of thinking, much can be gained by going after these deposits even in wells that have been plugged and abandoned provided the new frac technology and other emerging practices are employed.
Any thoughts?
BTW, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
For those of you who contend that the HS formation is largely confined to east Texas/NW Louisiana, there is some information posted to the Go Haynesville Shale that seems to refute that contention. Information found within the archives of the Louisiana Office of Conservation shows from reports on wells drilled back in the 70's that this formation extends all the way to the Mississippi River.
www.gohaynesvilleshale.com Then go to the Union Parish Group.
www.gohaynesvilleshale.com Then go to the Union Parish Group.
re: Haynesville Shale
Posted by Latech80 on 12/5/08 at 7:14 am to Checkmateking2
Checkmateking,
In the northern La parishes/southern Arkansas region, what are the most prominent formations that you are aware of?
My people's homestead is in the extreme northeastern section of Claiborne parish (Junction City). Do you have any clue what formations are present there?
Thanks!
In the northern La parishes/southern Arkansas region, what are the most prominent formations that you are aware of?
My people's homestead is in the extreme northeastern section of Claiborne parish (Junction City). Do you have any clue what formations are present there?
Thanks!
re: Haynesville Shale
Posted by Latech80 on 12/4/08 at 9:18 am to Checkmateking2
I'm sure there are a number of people subscribing to this thread that have heard of the "Gray Sand." Does anybody know what the geographic dimensions are of this formation? What parishes is it predominantly found in? Does it exist in Southern Arkansas?
Haynesville Sand
Posted by Latech80 on 11/22/08 at 7:57 am
I realize I may be a little slow on the uptake, so if I have to come up with a legitimate excuse, I guess I'll chalk it up to turning 50 last summer.
Myabe this is an industry trade secret that the oil and gas companies are holding on to for dear life, but I was wondering if someone could describe for me in layman's terms what the Haynesville Sand (not Shale) is, and which parishes specifically (if known) does it cover? I have been told it extends across the entire breadth of the Ark/La line (Webster, Claiborne, Union, etc), but I cannot seem to find anything authoritative that would substantiate that.
So. can anyone shed light on this for me? Is it in Claiborne Parish, and if so, how far?
Thanks!
Myabe this is an industry trade secret that the oil and gas companies are holding on to for dear life, but I was wondering if someone could describe for me in layman's terms what the Haynesville Sand (not Shale) is, and which parishes specifically (if known) does it cover? I have been told it extends across the entire breadth of the Ark/La line (Webster, Claiborne, Union, etc), but I cannot seem to find anything authoritative that would substantiate that.
So. can anyone shed light on this for me? Is it in Claiborne Parish, and if so, how far?
Thanks!
re: Haynesville Shale
Posted by Latech80 on 11/10/08 at 1:34 pm to GeneralLee
So, what area is covered by the Haynesville Sand? That is, what parishes are involved. I understand it is around the Ark/La line, but that covers a lot of territory.
Is it in northern Claiborne/Union parishes? What is its potential, and how prolific is it? Oil or gas, or both?
Is it in northern Claiborne/Union parishes? What is its potential, and how prolific is it? Oil or gas, or both?
The ballots have been cast, and the election is over. Now, where does that leave us? That is, those of us who own property in North Louisiana.
It's my understanding that the players have retrenched. Any drilling activity is taking place in the northwestern part of North Lousiana, and if activity is taking place in northeast Louisiana, I haven't heard about it.
So, is the incoming administration going to be friend or foe? I think Obama's anitpathy towards big business and oil companies, in particular, militates against oil production. Where that leaves natural gas is anyone's guess, at this point.
Again, is North La.(particularly Northeast La) out of the running?
I know it appears that I have more questions than answers, but uncertainty seems to be the predominant theme, these days.
It's my understanding that the players have retrenched. Any drilling activity is taking place in the northwestern part of North Lousiana, and if activity is taking place in northeast Louisiana, I haven't heard about it.
So, is the incoming administration going to be friend or foe? I think Obama's anitpathy towards big business and oil companies, in particular, militates against oil production. Where that leaves natural gas is anyone's guess, at this point.
Again, is North La.(particularly Northeast La) out of the running?
I know it appears that I have more questions than answers, but uncertainty seems to be the predominant theme, these days.
re: Haynesville Shale
Posted by Latech80 on 10/24/08 at 7:13 pm to GeneralLee
I went to www.arklagas.org, and there are a number of reports, one of which was published by the Center of Energy Studies at LSU, that presents a very comprehensive breakdown of the various rock formations in North and South Louisiana. I commend it to anyone who desires an objective review of the subject matter.
I know in my particular little section of North La. there are at least 11 lithographic formations covering Claiborne parish (and surrounding parishes such as Union), and the majority of them are non-HS related (if that makes sense). I think very little attention has been paid to the various sand formations throughout North Louisiana that extend into Arkansas, and I must tell you, I think these source rock formations have the potential to be as prolific as anything found in NW LA.
Again, my 2 cents' worth.
LaTech80
I know in my particular little section of North La. there are at least 11 lithographic formations covering Claiborne parish (and surrounding parishes such as Union), and the majority of them are non-HS related (if that makes sense). I think very little attention has been paid to the various sand formations throughout North Louisiana that extend into Arkansas, and I must tell you, I think these source rock formations have the potential to be as prolific as anything found in NW LA.
Again, my 2 cents' worth.
LaTech80
Hey Folks,
I was just wondering if I get your impressions on this thought.
There is a heightened sense of activity in southern Arkansas, and now, there are several geologists who have come out and said that the Haynesville Shale extends into the southernmost reaches of Arkansas. Truth is, I think all past attempts to "draw a line in the sand" where this development is concerned is an exercise in futility, but that is just my 2 cents' worth.
We all know what has taken place in NW LA. Tell me, what about the parishes of Claiborne and Union? Yes, my family has property in the northernmost part of Claiborne around Junction City, so I do have a motive behind asking this question.
Thanks!
LaTech80
I was just wondering if I get your impressions on this thought.
There is a heightened sense of activity in southern Arkansas, and now, there are several geologists who have come out and said that the Haynesville Shale extends into the southernmost reaches of Arkansas. Truth is, I think all past attempts to "draw a line in the sand" where this development is concerned is an exercise in futility, but that is just my 2 cents' worth.
We all know what has taken place in NW LA. Tell me, what about the parishes of Claiborne and Union? Yes, my family has property in the northernmost part of Claiborne around Junction City, so I do have a motive behind asking this question.
Thanks!
LaTech80
re: Haynesville Shale North of Benton??
Posted by Latech80 on 9/21/08 at 7:36 pm to countryboy
In the interests of educating myself, I have learned that in the extreme northeastern portion of Claiborne Parish, there are a number of sand formations (Hosston, Bossier, CV, Smackover, and others), but the party line has been that the Haynesville Shale does not extend north of a certain point.
Now, there is very serious talk about the Haynesville Shale extending into southern Arkansas, and I hear that the courthouse in Union County is overflowing with landmen. This is of particular interest since my family holdings are 2 miles outside of Junction City (Claiborne Parish). Furthermore, I have spoken with a gentleman with the State Department of Conservation, and he said that there are so many formations in the area, that it's just a matter of time before activity picks up in these parts.
Honestly, I wonder if the pundits and prognosticators really know what they are talking about. Oil and Gas are not respecters of boundaries, and believe the jury is still out on the actual find. A case in point is a map published by a petroleum outfit showing the O & G find extending from Texas to the extreme eastern portion of north Louisiana.
Section 13, Township 23N, Range 4W. Any thoughts, words of encouragement, or caveats would be welcome!
Thanks!
Now, there is very serious talk about the Haynesville Shale extending into southern Arkansas, and I hear that the courthouse in Union County is overflowing with landmen. This is of particular interest since my family holdings are 2 miles outside of Junction City (Claiborne Parish). Furthermore, I have spoken with a gentleman with the State Department of Conservation, and he said that there are so many formations in the area, that it's just a matter of time before activity picks up in these parts.
Honestly, I wonder if the pundits and prognosticators really know what they are talking about. Oil and Gas are not respecters of boundaries, and believe the jury is still out on the actual find. A case in point is a map published by a petroleum outfit showing the O & G find extending from Texas to the extreme eastern portion of north Louisiana.
Section 13, Township 23N, Range 4W. Any thoughts, words of encouragement, or caveats would be welcome!
Thanks!
I'm told that parking space at the Claiborne Parish courthouse in Homer is at a real premium right now due to landmen stumbling over each other. According to the DNR website, drilling activity is definitely moving eastward. I understand they recently dropped a nice oil well between Homer and Junction City, with the placement being closer to Junction City. Another well is expected to go in before the year is out.
I take it this is outside the Haynesville Shale development. Is this part of the Haynesville Sand formation, CV, or Smackover formations? Any news about activity in this area would be helpful.
I take it this is outside the Haynesville Shale development. Is this part of the Haynesville Sand formation, CV, or Smackover formations? Any news about activity in this area would be helpful.
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