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dsquareg
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I didn't check all of them, just sampled one or two producers in each section but of the ones I checked some had multiple production zones but all were vertical. I doubt much horizontal work was being done in the 80's when those were drilled. I'm with you, hoping technology improvements will result in better wells. I just hope people in that area recognize that the potential wont justify the kind of bonus money the HS people are getting and get the keasing inished so the drilling can commence. If they are concerned about taking too little, do like I did and exclude the HS zone from the lease. One production report had 684 bbl and 1851 mcfe for the month of April. Even at todays prices, the OG people can't pay big bonus bucks for that level of production.
re: Haynesville Shale
Posted by dsquareg on 7/9/08 at 9:49 pm to pittboss33
I recently leased my Bossier land North of PD within the bonus price range mentioned in earlier posts after becoming convinced HS petered out south of me and after reviewing past drilling activity. Most of the activity in that area was in the 1980s, almost 280 completed wells in T23N for instance, with around 60 still in production! Haynesville Sand, Cotton Valley, Pettet Lime, and other zones all produced at one time or another. The larger percentage have been oil but some are gas. None are big producers, a few bbl or a few thousand cfe per day. Serveral others are shown as being reworked an/or injected. The OG was willing to exclude the Haynesville Shale from my lease to get the deal done. I was very willing to exclude it to get on with any exploitation of the other zones!
re: Haynesville Shale
Posted by dsquareg on 6/25/08 at 4:12 pm to pittboss33
Pittboss:
Thanks so do I, the money is in the production not the bonus.
I thought it was fair even tho a lot of friends said don't do it!! I don't think, from all I can find that HS extends that far north and I had rather get on with it than haggle. The fact they were willing to exclude HS and include the Pugh clauses convinced me. They "said" they hoped to drill within a year. [
Thanks so do I, the money is in the production not the bonus.
I thought it was fair even tho a lot of friends said don't do it!! I don't think, from all I can find that HS extends that far north and I had rather get on with it than haggle. The fact they were willing to exclude HS and include the Pugh clauses convinced me. They "said" they hoped to drill within a year. [
re: Haynesville Shale
Posted by dsquareg on 6/25/08 at 3:06 pm to lorilemaris
It is in north Bossier, T23N. The OG asked me not to be specific on terms, most important were: bonus less than $300/ac, Royalty more than 20% net, term 3 years, important clauses: Excludes Haynesville Shale, horiz and vert Pugh clauses.
Sorry so long to answer, other priorities.
Sorry so long to answer, other priorities.
re: Haynesville Shale
Posted by dsquareg on 6/23/08 at 10:32 am to pittboss33
pittboss,
the biggest piece is T20R26S11,12,13 which is 55.5 ac of minerals. small tracts in T20R25S2 and S3
the biggest piece is T20R26S11,12,13 which is 55.5 ac of minerals. small tracts in T20R25S2 and S3
I've just finished leasing 80a in T23 which has no HS play. Have another unleased 100a just across the state line in Ark. Anyone know of anyone leasing in south Ark??
justbill
thanks for the response, there is some rework activity in the area
thanks for the response, there is some rework activity in the area
re: Haynesville Shale
Posted by dsquareg on 6/17/08 at 11:33 pm to pittboss33
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Nobody will be up there looking for the shale. Look at any well logs, not just the two dry wells. People may be in north Bossier looking for Cotton Valley, but no shale.
So what would you think a lease should bring for Cotton Valley and Haynesville Sand in that area?
re: Haynesville Shale
Posted by dsquareg on 6/16/08 at 1:00 am to TigerDog83
TigerDog 83
Thank you for your very helpful response. I think the OG company included the Haynesville exclusion to keep the bonus money more reasonable since most everyone, even this far north, is afraid to sign away anything for what they were happy to get a couple of years`ago. I'm quite content to accept a reasonble bonus and royalty recognizing the land is not in the Haynesville boundary area.
If Crystal unitized the area in 640 acre spacing will that spacing still apply to a new production company? Was the 640 for gas only or for gas and oil? The Pugh clauses are included in the current lease.
Thanks again for your response, I read all your posts and value your opinion highly.
Thank you for your very helpful response. I think the OG company included the Haynesville exclusion to keep the bonus money more reasonable since most everyone, even this far north, is afraid to sign away anything for what they were happy to get a couple of years`ago. I'm quite content to accept a reasonble bonus and royalty recognizing the land is not in the Haynesville boundary area.
If Crystal unitized the area in 640 acre spacing will that spacing still apply to a new production company? Was the 640 for gas only or for gas and oil? The Pugh clauses are included in the current lease.
Thanks again for your response, I read all your posts and value your opinion highly.
re: Haynesville Shale
Posted by dsquareg on 6/16/08 at 12:03 am to insomniacnla
Anybody:
I have been offered a lease with the following clause " this lease excludes the Haynesville Shale formation as defined in the Office of Conservation including the Haynesville Sand formation as described by Order No. 329-C-1". The lease is for land located in T23NR13W which by most available information is too far north for the Haynesville Shale anyway. Obviously the OG company is trying to keep the bonus money/royalty from being unduly influenced by all the Haynesville play, factual and rumored. All the other mineral owners in my section were leased before Haynesville play became public so their leases have no such exclusion.
I've nevertheless tried (unsuccessfully) to find copies of the referenced orders to see what is being excluded. The lease, at my request, also includes both vertical and horizontal Pugh Clauses. The pooling clause allows one or more units/640ac (max) for gas and one or more units/80ac (max) for oil. Is this standard unit spacing in Louisiana and is it controlled by the State?
While extremely unlikely, what would happen if a well in my section/unit did produce from multiple zones including Haynesville Shale and/or sand? How would I know? From production reports files with the State? Is there anything else I should do to protect my interests, real or future potential?
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
I have been offered a lease with the following clause " this lease excludes the Haynesville Shale formation as defined in the Office of Conservation including the Haynesville Sand formation as described by Order No. 329-C-1". The lease is for land located in T23NR13W which by most available information is too far north for the Haynesville Shale anyway. Obviously the OG company is trying to keep the bonus money/royalty from being unduly influenced by all the Haynesville play, factual and rumored. All the other mineral owners in my section were leased before Haynesville play became public so their leases have no such exclusion.
I've nevertheless tried (unsuccessfully) to find copies of the referenced orders to see what is being excluded. The lease, at my request, also includes both vertical and horizontal Pugh Clauses. The pooling clause allows one or more units/640ac (max) for gas and one or more units/80ac (max) for oil. Is this standard unit spacing in Louisiana and is it controlled by the State?
While extremely unlikely, what would happen if a well in my section/unit did produce from multiple zones including Haynesville Shale and/or sand? How would I know? From production reports files with the State? Is there anything else I should do to protect my interests, real or future potential?
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Don't know specifically what you need but for land layout (Townships) and ownerships within each township (sections) maps are available for that Parish at the Parish courthouse for a very nominal (sometimes nothing) fee. The "T" in T23N stands for Township, in this case #23, The "N" is for north. There is also a R for range which locates the township east or west. Each Township is made up of 36 "sections" each of which is a one mile square of land and which conveniently contains 640 acres. In my case T23N is 2 or 3 Townships North of the Township 20/21 which seems to be where the Haynesville shale ends. Since each Township is comprised of 36 (6 X 6)sections, I know my land is 12-18 miles too far north for Haynesville Shale. Hope this was not too fundemental for you.
re: Haynesville Shale
Posted by dsquareg on 6/8/08 at 1:07 pm to TigerDog83
I am the last unleased owner in a section in T23N. The lease I'm now being offered is about what the other owners were offered almost two years ago (before Haynesville Shale became public) but the lessor volunteered to put an exclusion in the lease for Haynesville Shale and Haynesville Sand as their primary interest is Cotton Valley. From what I've read my land is about 12-18 miles too far north (as implied by lessors offering to exclude Haynesville). The lease wording does not address depth. It seems to me a depth clause (100' beyond any finished depth?) might be more practical. Any suggestions? I've really appreciated your posts and they have been very helpful.
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