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re: The Greyskull Methods- A Primer

Posted by brielf on 1/22/22 at 2:08 am to
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man sounds like you are pretty much doing what you can. I would try maybe resetting one more time and then instead of rotating the lifts, might want to look at some other form of programming like 531 or the PPSA programs. many here have been getting great gains on ppsa and 531 is tried and true for sure.

if you want to stay LP style then think about moving to madcow.


Yeah I've been doing greyskull for a long time now anyway, at least it would be a bit refreshing to try something different. I'll take a look at those you mentioned, thanks.

re: The Greyskull Methods- A Primer

Posted by brielf on 1/21/22 at 12:31 pm to
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Yea prolly is. you need to look at your sleep and your diet.

what are your goals again? and how is the diet?


Sleeping ~8 hours a night, but I wake up a lot during the night, it's been like that for 10+ years. I fall back asleep fast and I feel fine waking up though so maybe it isn't that terrible... Dunno if there's much to do about that, I've tried some supplements and even sleeping pills but nothing seems to help much. I guess I could try turning off PC earlier and read before going to bed but nothing has helped much.

I've been eating 3600 kcal a day for six weeks now. Pretty clean normal food, perhaps except for a big bowl of cereal every day. Around 160g of protein a day, sometimes more sometimes a little less.

I weighted 76.9 kg this morning, planning on getting a bit over 80 kg before I probably need to cut, like max 85 kg I think. I checked my test levels a year ago and I was barely in reference range so that could also contribute to bad progress. I weighed around 60 kg then after cutting to ~55 kg, so I think I cut too much and that might have affected test levels too. I should get a new test sometime.

re: The Greyskull Methods- A Primer

Posted by brielf on 1/21/22 at 11:25 am to
Alright, felt like updating after almost a month. I was able to start home workouts again with neutral grip chin ups and push ups. I reset bench to 55 kg and got 17 reps, OHP to 35 kg and 14 reps and squat to 80 kg and 17 reps. I've been doing 10x5 and 5x10 for bench/OHP after work sets. I'm getting a lot less reps now that I'm approaching my old working set weights... This week I did 60 kg bench for 12 reps, 38 kg OHP for 11 reps and just finished 92 kg squat for 8 reps. I did one extra set (7 reps) for squat because 8 reps at 92 kg is exactly the same I've gotten before.

At this rate I think I'm gonna stall around the same weights as before, perhaps I'll manage a bit higher in bench/ohp but squat isn't looking great. Perhaps it's time to switch some movements when that happens.

re: The Greyskull Methods- A Primer

Posted by brielf on 12/27/21 at 9:50 am to
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at some point you are going to have to eat more to get the lifts to go up. and yes volume will work, but i would be mindful of adding too much volume at one time. I would either pick the lower body lifts to add volume to or the 2 main upper body lifts. Would add any more volume to the pushing upper body accessories. if you want to add volume on accessory do it in the pulling motion.


Alright, calories should be pretty high now. I weighed 74.0 kg 3 weeks ago (increased calories 3300 > 3600 then) and weight has fluctuated between 74.0 - 75.1 kg since then. Was expecting more/faster weight gain but gotta wait and see if it starts going up. My accessories don't have a lot of pulling now, doing DB bench/DB bicep curl on one day and Yates row/tricep cable extension on the other. Probably switching some of them soon...

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are you doing the bodyweight homework? aka the frequency pushups and the chins?


No, I did homework until August/September but stopped completely in October. Just did one chin up now and elbows started hurting immediately...


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also for reference, on deloads, i suggest you removing enough weight where you are in the 15 rep range on the + set. on the first 2x5 sets....practice a very slow eccentric, pausing at the bottom and firing up out the hole with as much speed as possible. for example on bench you should almost come off the bench you are pushing so fast.


I have strictly removed 10 % of weights every reset, + sets have been like 10 reps or lower. So I think volume has been a bit low, resetting to lower weight and adding some volume work should be good.

re: The Greyskull Methods- A Primer

Posted by brielf on 12/25/21 at 8:25 am to
Thanks for the tips. I managed to hit 49 kg in OHP (barely 3x5) this week, but only 3 reps in the last set of 68 kg bench today. Last time I got 5,4,3 with the same weight, so kinda eh progress. I'll try 68 kg one more time next week, and I'll add the volume sets for bench/ohp/squat after next resets. 1min rest between volume sets is probably fine? I've done 3min for squat and 2min for everything else.

I have switched accessory lifts a lot, been doing 2x10 or 2x12 for them (bicep curls, DB bench, tricep pulls, rows). Would it make sense to add more volume as well? Like I did DB bench but couldn't progress at all at 22 kg, then switched it out and now started doing it again but stalling at the same weight.

Sleep is kinda ok, I just wake up many times a night so quality isn't the best, but that's how it's been for a very long time.

re: The Greyskull Methods- A Primer

Posted by brielf on 12/11/21 at 3:35 pm to
I've been doing greyskull since I posted in July, gotten some progress on every lift but stalling a bit now:

Bench ~50 kg > failed 68 kg two weeks ago and back up to 65 kg today, got two more reps than last time.

OHP ~36 kg > failed 48 kg three weeks ago, been quite hard to progress, several resets already. Hit the same amount of reps (5) on 45 kg this week.

Squat ~70 kg > failed 102 kg this week, reprogressed several times and gotten a few kilos more each time, but getting quite tough.

DL (trap bar) 88 kg > 130 kg. haven't had to reset yet.

I've been changing accessory lifts a lot, stalling quite a bit on curls/chin ups/DB bench etc.

High bar squatting feels pretty good and there's no elbow pain while squatting. But I haven't been able to do home workouts because my elbows start hurting really bad when I do chin ups.

I've been eating 3330 kcal since mid July, gained ~10 kg since then (started using creatine in September) and because lifts have been stalling and weight gain is stalling a bit, increased calories to 3600 this week. I'm hoping more calories will help break plateaus, but maybe I should try switching main movements too, I've resetted all but DL several times now.

re: The Greyskull Methods- A Primer

Posted by brielf on 7/30/21 at 5:08 pm to
Two weeks back on greyskull and doing well except for squats. I managed to irritate my elbows doing low bar squats earlier. I did more high bar style squats for a bit and then lowered the position again, and this Monday my elbows started hurting pretty bad again... I tried putting the bar as high as possible today but it didn't feel great. There's a safety bar at the gym and I tried using it, and it didn't put so much pressure on arms but it didn't feel very comfortable overall.

Squatting has always been difficult, I get exhausted squatting but I never really get soreness in legs during or after workouts. It feels like I'm not activating leg muscles properly or something.

I'm thinking maybe I'll try high bar squat with normal bar next Monday and see if my elbows are OK. Or would it make sense to try some other variation like some kind of front squat? My mobility isn't great so I have never tried front squatting, low bar position feels the best if my elbows didn't hurt.

re: The Greyskull Methods- A Primer

Posted by brielf on 7/15/21 at 9:02 am to
Thanks for the answers. Yeah I just read some review of the program last December and just started doing it. Adding home workouts now as well.

I was just wondering about the workout order because in some variations squat/DL are listed before some of the smaller lifts. I'll try doing everything else before now.

I think I'll give sumo and trap bar deadlift a try. I was doing normal deadlifts before but sometimes I got a bad feeling in lower back so I switched to RDL and later did SLDL in AllPro.

re: The Greyskull Methods- A Primer

Posted by brielf on 7/15/21 at 8:14 am to
I was doing greyskull for half a year but got stuck on lifts and got bored etc. I also modified it probably a bit too much and was starting workouts with squats and added too many additional lifts.

I tried AllPro for a few weeks but I'm not really liking it. I just read the greyskull book and found out about the home workouts and I think I'm gonna continue greyskull now. I'm wondering about a few things. Am I supposed to do all the additional lifts before squat/deadlift? Can I add ab workout to home workouts? Also, does a workout template like this look fine:

A:
Bench press
DB curl
DB lateral raise (or maybe facepull/arnold press)
Deadlift

B:
Overhead press
Close-grip bench press
Weighted chin-up
Squat

One more thing, would it be ok to substitute normal deadlift with RDL or SLDL?