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Maybe hard to say which is better right now. I just think that Haven’s physical attributes and arm strength give him a much higher ceiling.

Boomers: “We had it harder and did just fine.”
Also boomers: bought houses at ~3x income, had pensions, cheap college, and better job security.

As a generation, you had cheaper college, cheaper housing relative to income, more widespread pensions, and more stable long-term jobs. Then a big chunk of that same generation voted for and benefited from policies that eroded those things for everyone coming after. That’s not a moral judgment, it’s just the historical record.

And no, not everyone can “just move into a white-collar job.” Any functioning country needs a labor force that can still afford to live with at least a decent standard of living. If the people keeping the lights on and the shelves stocked can’t afford rent, that’s not a character flaw, that’s a policy failure.

History’s not going to call that “tough love.” It’s going to call it pulling the ladder up and then mocking the people stuck at the bottom.

“At 54 so yeah I think I might have some good advice to give.”

Retired at 54? Honestly, congrats – that already puts you in a pretty small minority.

But that’s exactly the point: your experience is not representative of what most people, especially younger generations, are dealing with. Early retirement usually means some combination of high income, strong pensions, favorable timing, and a decent amount of luck. That’s great for you, but it makes it easy to underestimate how different the landscape looks for people starting now.

The frustration isn’t “ young people don’t want to hear hard advice.” It’s that “just save and don’t be frivolous” pretends the economy is the same as it was when houses, education, and healthcare cost a very different share of income and stable pensions were much more common.

You may have good personal advice, but using an outlier outcome as proof that everyone else is just lazy or whiny is exactly the kind of disconnect people are reacting to.

I am guilty of bashing some of the youth coming up and don’t fully understand how to motivate them and in general they seem soft (here I go again) but there are absolutely good workers to be found. For the country to survive we can’t disenfranchise a whole generation. As posted, there is a mountain of statistics that say this something different.

“This is your problem right here in a nutshell. Make society better? What are you a communist? I think you are.

What dumbass told you that you this BS? Obama with it takes a village book? You believe that garbage in that book?

Make society better? When did we start living in a Star Trek universe? Are you a trekkie and go to conventions?

So a trekkie communist huh? Want to get rid of old people and live in Utopia where replicators or whatever the frick they call them just create shite with energy. It’s a TV show dumbass. Never gonna happen.

So what are you going to do?

Make society better? Well give up all your material desires and go volunteer somewhere.

fricking liberal communist working for a trekkie world is gonna be the end of the USA.”

I don’t think it is communist to want to leave an economy in better shape for your children. Many of the political and economic decisions made over the last 50 years benefited the boomers and hurt future generations whether done consciously or not. I think everyone recognizes a problem and want to turn things around for their children.

“That’s not the full story. Home sizes have increased over the years.”

You aren’t wrong. There are also other factors. But I think sweeping it under the rug and saying this generation is just lazy and greedy is dangerous. (Not saying that’s what you’re doing).

1970s: a typical house was roughly 2.7–3.3× the typical household’s income.
1980s: it crept up to roughly 3.6–3.8×.
Now: we’re sitting around 5-7x.

The age of a first time home buyer in 2008 was 30 years old. It is now 38 years old.
Rents have gone up inflation adjusted from about $900 a month to about $1,500 a month.

Renting longer at higher prices. This is not the same economy we grew up in.

Haven actually ran for 925 yards and 19 TDs in 2024. Dunham plays an empty backfield every down. Haven either passes or runs. He is deceptively quick because he is so big. Outruns the corners and looks like the biggest kid on the field and has incredible arm strength. Peyton looks incredible but Haven is really a freak.

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