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re: Portal Extravaganza - I know you’ll be a Starr in somebody else’s sky, but whyhi edition
Posted by metafour on 12/25/25 at 11:23 am to jvilletiger25
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thUGA and uat have been two of the top teams in the country and have been relying on former high school recruits at QB. Their secret is that they keep signing top QBs, so if one doesn’t pan out, the next one does. Then they cut loose the one that sucks. This is the way.
And why would this be any more preferable than just going Portal shopping and reducing all of the inherent waste and guesswork?
The inherent problem with HS QB's is that regardless of how many you sign, your "next guy" is still always going to be someone who you haven't seen perform over the course of a full season. At best you have seen them in mop up duty. You will therefore eventually run into a scenario where your starter graduates or goes to the NFL, the rest of your roster is good enough to compete, but you learn to find out that your new starting QB isn't as good as you hoped, or there are inherent growing pains and you end up losing a game or two which knocks you out of the playoffs. This is what happened with Texas this season.
The only real benefit of relying on HS QB's is the possibility of getting a multi-year starter, but those are going to be inherently rare anyway in this conference (because there aren't many QB's who are good enough to start as a Freshman or Sophomore on a team expecting to compete), but even that is moot because you can still pull a talented Freshman from the Portal if you wanted and develop them no different from a HS signee (eg: Air Noland). At the end of the day, Ty Simpson is only going to give Bama 2 seasons as the starter. You can obviously find Portal QB's who have that much eligibility, or just roll with two one-and-dones like multiple schools have already done (Indiana, Miami). So what is the benefit of waiting 3 seasons for Simpson to sit on the bench all so you can get 2 seasons out of him as the starter? Bama could have just signed Mendoza and had a better QB this season.
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I guess if ON3 said it...
Its something for you to seriously ponder. What does On3 gain by ranking some kid from lowly USF over two players from Auburn? There was a guy on here who claimed that Blocton would be irreplaceable on a previous page, and yet he is rated a 3-star transfer. It sounds like Traveon Mitchell is a perfectly acceptable replacement for Blocton.
Fans always think that their players are somehow unique little snowflakes. As if our solid rotational DL who didn't even start is the the best rotational DL in the entire country.
I guess On3 didn't get the memo that our outgoing transfers are all elite superstars per Freeze and Jang?
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Sounds like a whole lot of transfers from a bad USF defense. Gaskin is ok. Everyone else, nah. And they should all be depth players.
Traveon Mitchell is ranked higher than both Amaris Williams and Malik Blocton on On3 :lol:
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re: Portal Extravaganza - I know you’ll be a Starr in somebody else’s sky, but whyhi edition
Posted by metafour on 12/22/25 at 12:02 pm to TigerProwl24
Byrum Brown has been rated #4 overall and the #3 QB on the current On3 Portal rankings (behind Leavitt and Mestemaker).
Jay Crawford is the highest rated AU player at #19 overall.
Jay Crawford is the highest rated AU player at #19 overall.
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I’d guess throw for about 3000ish and run for about 450ish.
Gunner Stockton ran for basically that amount this season. Taylen Green ran for nearly 800 yards.
Pavia ran for ~900 yards at NM State and has been at ~800+ at Vanderbilt in back to back seasons.
There is no way to calculate the carryover from one conference to another, but you are being very conservative to assume he goes from 1,000+ to 450 yards rushing.
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Feels like the HarsiningHard crowd is trying to take over.
There is nobody "Harsining" here.
I'm still waiting for you to list me those examples of new head coaches who took over a failing P4 program and "ran it back" by basically keeping the entire roster of the prior coach in tact, by the way. Surely there must be examples of this. There are 4 current high-end P4 programs which had coaching changes (LSU, Florida, Penn State, Auburn) and all 4 of them are in varying, but similar, ongoing roster turnover journeys. All 4 clearly had talent on their roster from the prior head coach. Not a single one of the newly hired coaches is expected to field essentially the same roster that they started with this season, as far as I can tell.
The irony of you repeatedly bringing up Harsin (for whatever reason) is that you can't even see that your entire current premise is now basically parroting Hugh Freeze's "WE'RE SO GOSH DARN CLOSE" messaging. Can't win more than 5 games, but trust me bro, the roster is elite and we just need a minor coaching change to fix it all! Hugh Freeze was an even bigger failure than Harsin was, so its a bold move to try to reference "Harsining" while essentially parroting Freeze's messaging from the past 2 seasons :lol:.
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We havent seen any of that. We saw a coach unable to do his job. The roster was fine and they played hard.
The same can be said for Florida, LSU, Penn State. Programs of this caliber always have a "GOOD" roster on paper (even when they fire their coach) because they have the resources to recruit well. Florida wasn't losing games because their roster was missing alleged talent either.
By your own theory, you therefore expect that all of these schools will have minimal roster turnover, correct? I.e: Penn State clearly has talent, so I should expect that Matt Campbell is just going to roll into next season with Franklin's players? We already know that this isn't happing at Florida as they have bled out several key players already. When I look at the current On3 Portal rankings, the top rated player in there is a DE from Penn State...
The obvious problem with your entire stance (which you refuse to admit) is that it has not once played out as you are pining for in any coaching change. Name me one significant P4 program in the modern Transfer Portal era that has had a new outside coach come in, who promptly retained all of the nuts and bolts of the previous coach's roster? If you can actually find me one example I will pat you on the back, I'm legitimately asking. If you can't find me any actual examples, then you need to admit that there is a reason for why that is the case.
I'm looking right now, and LSU has 7 players that were ranked as 4-stars or better out of HS (per On3) that have announced their intentions to enter the Portal since Kiffin was hired. We have had 8 such players. Out of all of the players from LSU and Auburn that have announced entry, the highest rated current player is OL Carius Curne from LSU. Yes, he is ranked as a "better" player by On3 than Jay Crawford is. So what exactly are you crying about, here? Why isn't Kiffin retaining all of this talent? Why is he letting a supposedly ELITE young OL leave? Carius Curne was ranked as a Top 50 recruit out of HS. Does Kiffin not know that he needs elite OL to win in this conference?
re: Portal Extravaganza - I know you’ll be a Starr in somebody else’s sky, but whyhi edition
Posted by metafour on 12/20/25 at 1:21 pm to TigerProwl24
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We are Auburn. We will ALWAYS get those types of players but Dee Ford wasn’t exactly a high 4 star, was he?
No, he absolutely wasn't. He was a no-name camp standout that was like 205 pounds at the time. He was a classic Tuberville evaluation find. I remember his recruitment well because austudent22 was DM'ing me about the pop-up undersized DL that we were about to take because he was unblockable.
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The point of the Hoke article was that people that sit on the bench shouldn't make big money. Those that produce (ie Cam Coleman, Atkins) make the big bucks.
Whoa get put of here with these wacky "Moneyball" ideas, man.
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The change in NIL structure followed by the phrase "growing pains" tells me all I need to know.
It means that we have a highly overpaid roster filled with players who were "splash" signings made to win optics points for Freeze, many of whom have done literally nothing on the field. If you follow this team at all then you should have known this was the case even before Freeze was fired. Most of Freeze's biggest recruiting "wins" were players that he stole from rival teams: Perry Thompson (Bama), Damarcus Riddick (UGA), Jamonta Waller (Florida), Joe Phillips (UGA), etc.
All you have learned is that the new coach is going to first cull the roster of nonsense NIL deals, which is what any new coach should be doing regardless. This is even more important when the prior coach was just a mindless "flash recruiter" (Freeze) who was paying a premium in order to make it look like he was building something. Auburn's roster has considerably more waste than most programs.
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I'd rather spend money and retain 5 stars. Dont know why we are trying to go moneyball.
Because we have a spending cap, and because all of the successful teams in literally all of the major NA sporting leagues are run that way? If college football is to be going the way of pro sports, then do you think your team should be run like the good teams that are smart and win, or the stupid teams that are bad and lose?
Furthermore, which "5 stars" have we not retained? Xavier Atkins is a 5 star. DeAndre Carter is not. Neither is Jaylin Carter, BTW.
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Meta let me know if the teams we are supposed to be competing against for players will be doing their NIL as incentive based instead of just paying the players. We are going to have a lot more transferring out if that's how they are going to do things.
UGA is 100% calculated in their NIL spending. They let their starting QB walk a season ago. Their WR room was paid probably half of what ours was this past season, and its not because they don't have money.
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It's not who we offer. It's what we offer. You must be related to someone on staff.
How about you wait until they go through at least one portal class before concluding what they are or aren't offering LOL.
You are such a pussy its not even funny. You have zero idea what they are offering.
We have the dumbest fricking fans. An NIL strategy that aims to be smart does not conclude that they plan on trying to recruit 2 and 3 stars :lol:.
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So we're gonna try to find 2/3* talent and coach/ scheme them up to beat the 4/5* talent everywhere else in the SEC
Almost every HS player that I have seen the new staff offer has been a 4-star or higher. Melt harder.
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Our players were not soft last year. They lacked a coach.
They absolutely folded over when it mattered in literally every close loss we played in (of which there were many). The defense conceded game-deciding points, and the offense couldn't even line up or snap the ball properly. This happened in multiple games. On the game ending 4th down sack against Oklahoma, Conner Lew (your future NFL, best OL) got obliterated so badly by the DT that he may as well have not even been on the field. This is an experienced player, not some young fill-in.
You can place that on Freeze or the lack of coaching, but it doesn't matter one bit. It needs to be corrected regardless. To pretend like the players weren't mentally weak is absurd. Cam Coleman, your superstar "talent" LOST the game vs. Bama on a brainless decision. He shouldn't have even been in a position to fumble the ball, because he should have gone out of bounds. This happened weeks after Freeze was relieved, by the way.
And what if a guy just isn't as good as you thought he would be? Fine him until he gets better and lives up to the paycheck LOL? Being overweight or late are hardly the only reasons why a player fails.
Are you ever allowed to just cut your losses and tell a player to find somewhere else to play? Or is that not allowed because you are losing "talent"?
Are you ever allowed to just cut your losses and tell a player to find somewhere else to play? Or is that not allowed because you are losing "talent"?
re: 2026 Recruiting Thread
Posted by metafour on 12/18/25 at 5:08 pm to Johnnycrane
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Plus they'll go right back to 8-5 when their Heisman winner is gone
They went 11-2 in Cignetti's first season with a QB that they pulled from fricking OHIO UNIVERSITY (note: not Ohio State University).
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We had a top 15 roster though FINALLY.
Yeah I want to keep the talent.
Ok, so answer the question. Who is the "TALENT"? You seem to have gotten hurt over freaking DeAndre Carter, so you seem to be insinuating that ~75% of the roster is "talent" that we can't lose?
Nobody can answer the simple question. Based off of what is being said, some of you seem to be of the opinion that our roster is money, save for Jackson Arnold and Preston Howard. You have WR's and OL that barely or never played in your grouping of players that apparently we should have prioritized. If that is the case, then it would seem that every actual starter is a can't-lose player?
You can't seriously sit there and tell me that your idea of a feasible transition is to switch out ~10-20 players from the backend of the roster and keep everyone else. This literally never happens. It doesn't even happen when you keep your staff in tact.
And I repeat: "we wanted a new coach, but we wanted that new coach to agree in lock-step with the old coach on player evaluation" is such a hilariously absurd proposition. C'mon man, you're obviously smarter than that.
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Some of us thought we were close enough to start winning more than 8 games, much less 5. We just wanted to run it back with a new coach and certain new players. The overhaul part is concerning. We havent had a decent season since 2019 and the clock doesn't stop for sunshine.
But "running it back" how you imagined it is an impossibility.
Look around dude, there are winning big-name programs with money to spend who are having key players enter the portal. USC had one of their "star defensive linemen" enter just a day ago.
The new system incentivizes players to enter the Portal. Players have agents who are literally instructing them to enter. Don't forget that most agents are getting cuts out of whatever deals their clients sign. The agents themselves benefit from deal-shopping.
You will NEVER be the "highest bidder" for every player on your roster, which is the only way to actually "run it back" how you seem to have imagined it. There are going to be players on your roster that other schools will value more than you yourself will, whether right or wrong. This is why I deliberately asked a day or two ago where do you actually draw the line? At which player? Because you can't just outbid every other program in the country for every player on your roster. That is effectively arguing that you should pay market premium for every roster player. This is not how ANY Pro team operates in ANY Pro league. All of the best teams maximize the value of finding the best young talents, and they try to win while they are cheap (ie: on rookie contracts) because this offers the most cap flexibility. Sure, you will bite the bullet and "overpay" to keep your star players once they are about to enter free agency, but you can't do that with your whole roster. Eventually even the Buffalo Bills are going to have to let someone go when they can't afford to pay them the amount that some other team is willing to.
Furthermore, your entire premise is beyond silly ("we wanted a new coach with the same players"). Just because you and Hugh Freeze are certain that these players are all great players, why should any new coaching staff agree with that assessment? Some players on the roster are simply going to be valued less by the new staff than they were by the old staff. Its not like every coach in the country is in agreement on every player on every college football roster LOL.
re: Portal Extravaganza - I know you’ll be a Starr in somebody else’s sky, but whyhi edition
Posted by metafour on 12/17/25 at 4:55 pm to jvilletiger25
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I’m going to disagree with you there. It’s way easier to replace a linebacker than it is a lockdown corner. And I’m saying that as someone that loves Atkins and the way he plays.
Except that Atkins is one of the ~5-10 best LB's in the entire country, and Durkin actually uses him more like an Edge player, so his value FAR exceeds what a typical LB normally provides. Pass rushers are even more valuable than Cornerbacks.
And Crawford as a CB is nowhere near as impactful as Atkins at LB for Durkin's defense. Not even close.
Xavier Atkins was 5th in the entire country with 17 tackles for loss, and 16th in Sacks with 9. Again, this is an ELITE disruptor on defense, whereas Crawford is just a "good" CB.
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