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New mentality also means abandoning this pathetic whining about the reffing after every game. We did not lose the IB because of the refs. If you want to talk about non-calls: Wright basically wrapped up and tackled a DL on our final drive a play or two before Coleman's fumble. I was shocked that it wasn't called holding.

Harding Harper is from Birmingham and played at Carver Montgomery High School.

He was director of college scouting under Lea at Vanderbilt last season.

Demarcus Van Dyke played at Miami and ran a 4.28 at the Combine. Dude is probably still faster than most of our DB's LOL. He was actually coached by Wesley McGriff at Miami.

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I haven't excused shite lmao

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"He has an ankle injury" (like I said: has he been playing through injury the entire time he has been here?)
"He's had bad QB's".

We've had WR's at Auburn who have had guys like Sean White and Jeremy Johnson throwing them the football while playing in offenses that were considerably more run-heavy, and they have produced similar results to Coleman.

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Mid 4.4s with all the potential in the world to work to a high 4.3.

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So a thin WR with no strength/tackle breaking ability and mid 4.4 speed is a "freak athlete" to you? On what planet?

This is my entire point. You clearly haven't seen too many freak athletes play WR if you think that Cam Coleman is one. You need to argue actual facts, not things that you want to believe in your head.

These are the primary categories of pure athleticism for a WR:

1) Outright speed: the ability to create separation through simply running past defenders.
2) Agility: the ability to change directions quickly and thus pick up extra yards with the ball in your hands.
3) Jumping: the ability to win the ball by simply dominating defenders in the air.
4) Strength: the ability to out-muscle defenders for the football, and rack up additional yards by breaking through tackles.

For a WR to legitimately be a considered a "freak athlete", they MUST possess elite traits in multiples of the above athletic categories. Someone like Randy Moss was elite in at least 3 of the 4 categories. Andre Johnson is another example of a WR who was undoubtedly elite in multiples of those categories. As was Julio Jones. As was Calvin Johnsion

Cam Coleman has played two seasons here, and he has objectively proven to only be elite in ONE of those categories. That isn't my "opinion", it is objective fact. Now you can come back and argue all you want that he can't run past defenders because he always has an ankle injury every time we throw it to him deep, or its because its the QB's fault (in reality Coleman actually has a bad habit of purposely slowing down because he seems intent on trying to set-up jump balls). The QB excuse is retarded because we have seen multiple past receivers put up elite Yard-Per-Catch totals at Auburn despite also playing with objectively average or worst QB's.

He is clearly not "strong", and he clearly is not a threat to make guys miss with the ball in his hands. Again, this is reflective of his actual play. I don't give a shite what you think you saw him do in HS, or what his 247 profile's star ranking says. I'm talking about his play at Auburn.

And everything I am saying is backed up by his actual production (or lack thereof). He has under a 13.0 YPC this season, and even last season it was NOT "elite". Receivers who are truly "freak athletes" will put up elite Yards-per-Catch rates regardless of what offense they are playing and and regardless of who the QB is. That is the literal definition of "freak athleticism": the ability to produce results regardless of the talent around you. Calvin Johnson produced elite production at Georgia Tech despite the fact that he was playing in a literal triple-option offense with a de-facto RB playing QB. And he STILL managed to be a 16-17+ YPC receiver despite being 6'5 240 pounds.

Yes dude, Cam Coleman has had an ankle injury the entire 2 seasons he has been at Auburn.

Just like how when he fumbled the game away last night he immediately got up and started faking a limp as if he was hurt. He has done that before by the way.

Some of you will forever have an excuse for everything. I don't even know WTF you are trying to argue, I have repeatedly said that he is talented. Are you offended that you seem to believe that he is Randy Moss when he in fact clearly isn't?

Here is an objective question: post what you think his 40-yard time will be at the Combine, since you believe that he is a "freak athlete".

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Coleman has the tools to be an outstanding WR, but he needs a lot of coaching. He has to learn to give 100% 100% of the time. People complaining about his speed don’t see that he didn’t get many opportunities this year with the lack of QB protection go deep. He is deceptively fast and has more tools than any WR that Auburn has had in a long time-and getting better coaching will bring those out.

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You severely underestimate the caliber of athletes we have had at WR. Some of them were more athlete than receiver, but Coleman himself isn't some "natural" once you objectively look at things like drops. We have had multiple guys who were clearly as athletic if not clearly more athletic than Coleman is.

Again, Coleman is talented...but he isn't some otherworldly talent, and this is obvious by the fact that he depends on ball-tracking/contested catches so often. You say that he has not had enough "opportunities" with deep-balls, but that is nonsense. They threw multiple to him yesterday and that Bama DB was glued to him the entire game. We've had two WR's in recent history who were clearly more dangerous down-field than Coleman has proven to be: Sammie Coates, and Darius Slayton (who has been a solid NFL receiver for 6 seasons now). Both of those guys were ~20+ YPC receivers at Auburn. Cam Coleman's YPC this season is just 12.7, and last season it was 16.2.

Slayton at the NFL Combine: 6'1 190, 4.39 forty, 40.5" vertical. That kid was constantly open deep behind the secondary.

Cam Coleman at Auburn:

2024: 37 rec, 598 yards, 8 TD's
2025: 57 rec, 725 yards, 5 TD's

Sure, he would probably stand out more in a better offense, but that just proves that he isn't some mythical talent that is elite by himself and can take over games regardless of who is around him.

Auburn fans talk him up as if this is Randy Moss at Marshall. The kid is clearly talented, but can we get real for a second? I've never seen him break a single tackle, nor does he ever blow past DB's or rack up yards after the catch. He doesn't make defenders miss and he isn't really a threat with the ball in his hands.

He is a jump-ball specialist with ELITE ball-skills, but he also tends to drop way too many easy uncontested passes. Don't get me wrong, he is ELITE at his one standout trait, but the rest of his game is clearly super average if you want to evaluate objectively.

Auburn fans have battered-wife syndrome. As soon as they latch onto some marginally talented player they pretend like they will never find someone better. Coleman has not been worth whatever we have paid him. There are LOTS of receivers in the country who can put up ~700 yard seasons for less money than what we have paid Coleman.

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He may not have picked Freeze but he failed as AD to rally boosters towards a better option of which there were many

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Correct. The AD's job is to convince the boosters on who the correct coach should be.

I saw someone describe Durkin as "Temu Will Muschamp" looool.

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Wow, so apparently we've made an agreement with our next coach.

Any guesses as to who it is?

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I mean the safe money would be on Durkin given the timing, which to me is still wild.