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European Trip - Flight Question

Posted on 8/10/18 at 8:12 pm
Posted by Greace
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 8/10/18 at 8:12 pm
Looking to go to London, Paris, Rome in a 14 Night Trip

I can find a flight RT from Houston to Paris for 538$

But then that means I have to get back to Paris from either London or Rome. I plan on taking a train from Paris to London the first time. But is that going to be too many plane trips in such a short time? In my mind this is how its going to play out.

Arrive in Paris
Spend a few nights in Paris 4-5 ( Maybe include a day trip away from Paris in the window.)
Then either take a flight to Rome or a Train to London.
Spend however long in the next location and then move to the last location and then at some point I have to get back to Paris.

Am I going to hate myself for not booking a Multicity flight into Paris and out of London for probably 180$ more.

Sorry for the scrambled thoughts just looking for advice from people who have probably been in this situation before.
Posted by Globetrotter747
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 8/10/18 at 8:44 pm to
quote:

Sorry for the scrambled thoughts just looking for advice from people who have probably been in this situation before.


I have been on many trips similar to yours. I am a solo traveler, have been to all three cities you named, and I would have had no problem easily seeing all I wanted in a 14 day time frame. I would just try to fly really early or late to save the daylight hours.

Flight prices can be very reasonable between those cities and your RT flight from IAH to CDG is very good. I think you’re fine if it’s your goal to see those three cities in one swoop.
Posted by Greace
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 8/10/18 at 8:48 pm to
So its not going to feel like im in the airport every other day? Im thinking about adding an extra day at the start or end just so that I have that day I can waste as a travel day to get back to Paris
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
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Posted on 8/10/18 at 9:01 pm to
You should definitely book the multicity flight, IMHO, starting in London and departing from Rome if possible. Why would you book a multicity ticket and then force yourself to schlep back to Paris?

Rome is the odd choice in this itinerary.....why those three? By air from Paris It’s a 2-hr flight, plus the transit time to the airport, the early arrival, then getting from FCO into Rome (1.5 hrs between clearing airport and arriving in city center). And then you’d do it all again to get back to Paris....If there is a compelling reason you’ve GOT to get to Rome on this trip, I guess. Train is a terrible option between the two unless you’re an energetic 20 year old living out of a backpack (11 hours, with a connection in Milan).

Also, Proposed itinerary is 3 major cities, each ridiculously well endowed with sights, history, activities, museums. You’ve allocated no time to countryside or smaller towns....

I’d split the 2 weeks between England and Paris/Normandy/northern France. Work in some smaller towns, side trips, not all city/mass tourism stuff.

I’d save Rome for another trip (said as a person who has spent more of her time in Rome than any other European capital). Disregard my advice if you have recently received a dreadful diagnosis, or are about to join a cloistered monastic order.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20458 posts
Posted on 8/10/18 at 9:06 pm to
I would book a multi city into London, then go to Paris, get to Rome, and fly out of Rome to home.

You are going to have to get BACK to your original destination anyway. That's going to cost money at least $60 if not $100 or, its also a lot of time. Its also a PITA to have a connecting flight on your way home because you have to get a flight first thing in the AM at like 7am so wake up at 4am which jacks up your last night.

So for $180, I'd pay that in a heart beat to fly out of Rome home. And I'm cheap fwiw.
Posted by Greace
Member since May 2009
4696 posts
Posted on 8/10/18 at 9:12 pm to
quote:

Rome is the odd choice in this itinerary.....why those three


I feel like Rome is one of the big premier destinations in Europe and I've always wanted to see the Colosseum. I would take a flight most definitely everything I read said the Train isnt worth it because your going to be traveling in a sleeper car and wont be able to see the countryside anyway.

quote:

Also, Proposed itinerary is 3 major cities, each ridiculously well endowed with sights, history, activities, museums. You’ve allocated no time to countryside or smaller towns....

I’d split the 2 weeks between England and Paris/Normandy/northern France. Work in some smaller towns, side trips, not all city/mass tourism stuff.


I'm definitely open to allotting some of the time to smaller cites or day trips away from the big cities. I feel like ill spend the least amount of the time in London and use most of the days in Italy and France.

I was thinking of using the days like

5 - France
5 - Italy
4 - London
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 8/10/18 at 9:16 pm to
London to Paris you should take the train. Faster total time, avoid airports, and its city center to city center for the most part.

You could look into a night sleeper train from Paris to Rome, I'd think it would definitely be an option. No idea on price and comfort. But you'd leave at like 10pm and get in at like 6am probably. So you'd sleep and travel and lose almost no day time.
Posted by Greace
Member since May 2009
4696 posts
Posted on 8/10/18 at 9:17 pm to
quote:

So for $180, I'd pay that in a heart beat to fly out of Rome home. And I'm cheap fwiw.


I cant get out of Rome for 180$ more its about 250-300$ more just to fly out of Rome. It does look like I could start the trip in Rome for about 120$ more and fly out of Paris back to home. So it would be Rome - London - Paris - Home
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 8/10/18 at 9:22 pm to
I’m not a “hurry up to see the next thing” traveler. I prefer a slower pace, with more opportunities for serendipity, wandering, feeling the rhythm of a place, finding good food, good coffee, etc. I hate feeling rushed, or worrying about the next thing. I know, I’m an outlier in this respect. But I’d rather more time in one place than less time in more places. Rent an apartment for a week, settle in, play at being a local. Try it some time, you might like it. Relaxation isn’t just found at a do nothing beach resort.
Posted by Greace
Member since May 2009
4696 posts
Posted on 8/10/18 at 9:28 pm to
Im more of a hurry up traveler if I had to guess thats how I am with most other stuff. That being said I dont want to spend more time in the Airports than I do out and about in the locations
Posted by LSUJuice
Back in Houston
Member since Apr 2004
17672 posts
Posted on 8/10/18 at 9:47 pm to
If you're flying in and out of Paris I'd save Rome for another trip like hungryone said. If you insist on a third city, go with something in the neighborhood like Amsterdam or Brussels/Bruges. Plenty to do and see, and they're much quicker to get to via train. Italy just can't be rushed IMO.
(We loved Luxembourg and the surrounding countryside, but that doesn't sound like what you're after.)
Posted by Greace
Member since May 2009
4696 posts
Posted on 8/10/18 at 10:01 pm to
I would like to get to Rome somehow. What would be the suggested route if I dropped London and just did Italy instead? So Italy and France
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 8/10/18 at 10:10 pm to
Again, if you are flying into one of those and home from the other, it’s a more logical plan with less time wasted in backtracking and transit. A cheapie flight from Rome to Paris is anywhere from 50€ to 150€ depending on season, timing, etc. You can plan side trips from each city.....
Posted by Greace
Member since May 2009
4696 posts
Posted on 8/10/18 at 10:12 pm to
So basically you guys are saying I should shoot for 2 countries instead of 3 correct?
Posted by LSUJuice
Back in Houston
Member since Apr 2004
17672 posts
Posted on 8/10/18 at 11:32 pm to
Or a third that's logistically more efficient. Getting to Rome just seems inefficient, hence your original question.
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 8/11/18 at 6:41 am to
No, I’m saying you should pairdestinations that are closer together and slow down. LEts take London: what’s on your list for a five day visit? Can you reasonably see/experience your top list in five days? Only you can decide. London/Paris are close and well linked by high speed train, plus both cities offer lots of side trips in the immediate vicinity. From Paris, you can do the DDay landing beaches, if WWII history appeals.

If Rome is where you want to be, plan a 2-week trip to Italy. The country is overflowing with food, wine, art treasures, historic sites...working farm/guesthouses, wineries, ancient ruins, religious sites, lots of coastline and scenery. Rome, Florence, Cinque Terre, Tuscan hill towns like Orvieto.....or head south from Rome to Naples and the Amalfi Coast, Pompeii, Paestum,

As I’ve posted before on this board, are you planning a trip for your max enjoyment, or to impress people with the recitation of your itinerary? Putting Rome and London on the same trip is equivalent to visiting NYC and Miami on the same vacation. Or Austin and Los Angeles.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20458 posts
Posted on 8/11/18 at 10:53 am to
It's not unrealistic to visit all 3 cities in 2 weeks. But you need to understand Paris to Rome is 870 miles, as said that's like going from New Orleans to Chicago, then throw in Detroit.

But flying into Paris makes it make less sense. Some people rarely make it to Europe I don't think there is anything wrong with your 3 cities, you should just do it better or it's going to be a lot more mentally and physically draining.

I would look into a night train from Paris to Rome. No idea on cost and feasibility. But a 900 mile journey seems like a good one to do overnight. Use a night of sleep to travel, one less night in a hotel. When else do you sleep on a train in your life?

I orsonallly wouldn't do that trip probably, but it can be done. Yes, with your given way of doing it it will wear you out. Especially with it being 3 of the largest cities in Europe. It's going to be nothing but public transportation and gobs of people.

Eta: also, you should be able to find a decent priced flight to 2 if not all 3 of those cities. I don't see why you wouldn't be able to fly directly to 2 of them from the USA.
This post was edited on 8/11/18 at 10:56 am
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