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LSUfan4444
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Anyone familiar with the EVA Infinity Mileage program

I am trying to check my conversion math to make sure I know how many points I'll need to fly from LAX - CEBU Philippines

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Right now, I have about 400,000 Cap 1 Venture miles which would convert to 350K EVA miles (1-.75) which I believe would leave me 30K short of Premium Economy (three travelers). They do sell points ($40 per 1,000) so another $1200 out of pocket for 30k points and it SHOULD cover the premium economy (not including seat selection which I am estimating to be another $500 at $40 each person for 3 people for each leg at 4 legs: LAX to TPE, TPE to CEB then return)

So basically, I am thinking $1700 out of pocket to fly all (three travelers) premium economy.

Capital 1 does have a mileage purchase "eraser" but looking at the cost of the flights we want, three of us flying premium economy round trip would be almost $19k and my 400,000 miles would only cover $4000 of that so it seems as if points are a no brainer but it's so obvious I feel as if I may be missing something

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re: Anyone familiar with the EVA Infinity Mileage program
1) I'm not following your math on how many miles you think you need. It looks to me Premium Economy from LAX would be 110,000 x 3 = 330,000 points. You seem to be getting 380,000 points which I don't understand. In any event, see #2.

2) Read this and consider transferring to a different Cap One partner airline that's in the Star Alliance with EVA and see if you can get a better value, which seems very likely. In your case look at Air Canada and Avianca. ANA is a great option but not a Cap One transfer partner.


Booking EVA Business Class (but can figure out economy from here)

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re: Anyone familiar with the EVA Infinity Mileage program
That's a lot of points for premium econ. I'll take them off your hands for $5k.


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LSUfan4444
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re: Anyone familiar with the EVA Infinity Mileage program
Sorry, my math was off there. It looks like the 400,000 cap 1 miles would convert to 300K EVA miles which would leave me the 30K short I needed. 30k at $40 per 1,000 is where I got the $1200

I didnt realize I could use Avianca miles on EVA flights so thats a much better value at 1:1 thanks


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re: Anyone familiar with the EVA Infinity Mileage program
So, it looks like currently, the best value would be transfer my 400K Cap 1 miles to Avianca and buy another 50k in LifeMiles to get the 450K total needed for business class on EVA Air.



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I'd also consider delaying your trip enough to earn the miles you need if that's an option.

Avianca is also a Amex MR partner so you could get a sign up bonus from them and transfer from there as well to pool them.

That'll save some cash.

Last note, do make sure you understand how booking Avianca awards works and confirm space as best as possible before the transfer because once they are with Avianca they are stuck.


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Last note, do make sure you understand how booking Avianca awards works and confirm space as best as possible before the transfer because once they are with Avianca they are stuck.


Thats what I am running into...the flights I need are not an option.


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Asia award availability looks to be down significantly because of COVID. Those countries (China/Hong Kong,Japan, Taiwan) are way more locked down still so that seems to be affecting space on EVA, ANA, JAL and Cathay.

You may have to consider going East on another airline like Turkish if possible/routing rules allow.
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LSUfan4444
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Sorry for the ignorance here but if I don't see availability on the LifeMiles website for EVA Air then I wouldn't be able to use those Avianca miles for EVA flights, correct? I don't like the 1-.75 conversion with EVA but if I can't flights with any other airline the better conversion doesnt help much


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Generally, if Avianca isn't showing availability then you won't be able to book that airline (Usual exception is sometimes an airline doesn't support online redemption for certain partners and you have to call to book).

If EVA doesn't show the seats then there isn't any for anyone. If they do show the seats they may have them for EVA customers only and haven't released seats on those flights to partners.

You may also want to test out new award search tools like point.me and Seat Spy to possibly make this easier for you. They have some trials you could take advantage of.

Last option is hiring a points blogger for $100/$150 a ticket to do all this for you. You lose some value but may save time/money in long run.
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LSUfan4444
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If EVA doesn't show the seats then there isn't any for anyone. If they do show the seats they may have them for EVA customers only and haven't released seats on those flights to partners.


This is what I think must be going on and why they have a different conversion rate with Cap 1.

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Last option is hiring a points blogger for $100/$150 a ticket to do all this for you. You lose some value but may save time/money in long run.


Interesting...didnt know that was an option but will look into it, thanks



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re: Anyone familiar with the EVA Infinity Mileage program
Most airlines have "Saver" availability that they release to partner airlines (like Avianca in this case). And they may also have additional availability that they only release through their own program (EVA miles, in this case).

What was the price of the tickets you want if you just buy them?


LSUfan4444
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What was the price of the tickets you want if you just buy them?



Economy both ways = $4,569
Economy there and premium economy back = $6024
Premium Economy both ways = $7479
Premium economy there and Business Class back = $15042
Business Class both ways = $22,608



LSUfan4444
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re: Anyone familiar with the EVA Infinity Mileage program
I'm a little short of 400k and the trip isn't for over a year so I've got time to build up more points.

We earn around 16,000 points per month and right now I am the primary card holder with the wife as an authorized user.

So, what I am thinking might be the best value is Business both ways for 450,000 in EVA miles.

I'll be at 400K by next month and can the wife her own card to earn bonus miles for her (another 75K) so it seems like 475K is pretty easily attainable in the nest 60 days. So, low balling here but lets say we wait until we get (combined) 500K Cap 1 miles and she transfers her balance to me.

I could convert the 500K in Cap 1 to 375K in Eva miles which would leave me 75K short for Business Class Round trip but purchase the remaining 75K at a cost of $40 over 1000 for an OOP cost of $3000

I hate the 1-.75 but I just can't find a way around it with so little availability on other airlines not being EVA.



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re: Anyone familiar with the EVA Infinity Mileage program
And you see availability in the EVA program for the flights you want? If so, at those cash prices, you're getting a solid value for your points.


LSUfan4444
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And you see availability in the EVA program for the flights you want? I


Thanks...that was my thought as well and Yes, alot of availability at the business and economy level with the EVA program, not so much at the premium economy level

Thinking about booking the return trip now by converting the pts from cap 1 to EVA since we have enough just so at least we lock in having the pod on the way back. If we have to go economy on the way there, so be it but on the way back we really want lounge access in Tapai for the long layover and a pod to try and rest before getting back to the US

Thanks again for the time. A second opinion always helps.


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If so, at those cash prices, you're getting a solid value for your points.


I think the cash prices he was listing was for all 3 people.

An economy ticket on EVA is not $4,500 a person.

If PE seat for 3 people is $7479/3=$2493 per person. Then the math is 2493/110,000 = .02266 x 100 = 2.266 cents per point which is just across the threshold for a decent redemption.

The formula for those interested is cash price/points required then multiply that number by 100 to get "cents per point" with 2 cents per point to be the magic number, at least for me.

The business class calculation comes out to 5cpp. I like that a lot.
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re: Anyone familiar with the EVA Infinity Mileage program
He’s converting cap 1 to Eva. Need to calculate from cap1.


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He’s converting cap 1 to Eva. Need to calculate from


Ah ya I gotta make a reduction calculation, you're right.

It becomes about 1.6cpp for PE (meh) and business at 3.7 which is good.

Relative to using another program maybe not but if this is the only option I could sleep at night
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re: Anyone familiar with the EVA Infinity Mileage program
Haven’t looked. Any fees/tax/fuels/ ridiculous charges (BA metal) Eva tacks on after points?

Also was he talking about still needing to purchase $3k worth of pts to meet the tix requirements?


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