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re: SONOS speaker owners..how much freedom do you have? UPDATE 2 PAGE 11
Posted on 5/9/17 at 10:56 am to CAD703X
Posted on 5/9/17 at 10:56 am to CAD703X
i should have clarified how is that any different than just using a chromecast audio. This question still really hasn't been answered.
And it sounds like you are moving speakers around. Or at the very least you have speakers either sitting on shelves or bookcases or something. These speakers do not sound like they are installed in the wall or ceiling. Which quite frankly sounds more like something for a dorm room than an established house.
And it sounds like you are moving speakers around. Or at the very least you have speakers either sitting on shelves or bookcases or something. These speakers do not sound like they are installed in the wall or ceiling. Which quite frankly sounds more like something for a dorm room than an established house.
This post was edited on 5/9/17 at 10:58 am
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Posted on 5/9/17 at 10:58 am to TigerWise
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There are many alternatives, even SONOS like products. It all depends on what you are trying to do.
i gave the vizio smartcast speakers a year to mature and they still suck.
i dont want to extend my speakers via echo dots or google homes
i dont want the hassle of trying to make multiple systems work together or waste more brain power hacking something together that will disappoint me and piss off the SO.
Posted on 5/9/17 at 10:58 am to TigerWise
quote:but it has been proven that iPhones dont just work.
Congratulations on owning the iPhone of the audio world. It just works.
Posted on 5/9/17 at 11:01 am to bbap
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i should have clarified how is that any different than just using a chromecast audio. This question still really hasn't been answered.
chromecast audio includes integrated speakers?
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And it sounds like you are moving speakers around. Or at the very least you have speakers either sitting on shelves or bookcases or something. These speakers do not sound like they are installed in the wall or ceiling
i have mounts. i haven't used them yet because i'm still tweaking the placement. i don't want speakers in the ceiling pointing down at the floor. i don't like them or the sound they put out.
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Which quite frankly sounds more like something for a dorm room than an established house.
did you miss the whole part where i'm still working placement?
will a couple of these end up on bookshelves? absolutely.
will a couple end up in the kids' rooms and move around all the time? absolutely.
will some end up mounted if the application makes sense? absolutely.
right now i'm planning to mount them in our bedroom and screened porch only.
This post was edited on 5/9/17 at 11:03 am
Posted on 5/9/17 at 11:02 am to CarRamrod
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and you get to pay 200$ for one speaker.
No one is arguing that these aren't expensive. However, you can make the same argument for non-sonos speakers too. I've seen some speakers for 5k. Where there's money, there's a market.
Posted on 5/9/17 at 11:03 am to CAD703X
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i should have clarified how is that any different than just using a chromecast audio. This question still really hasn't been answered.
chromecast audio includes integrated speakers?
you have to buy it but it's $35. A much cheaper alternative.
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i have mounts. i haven't used them yet because i'm still tweaking the placement. i don't want speakers in the ceiling pointing down at the floor. i don't like them or the sound they put out.
To each their own. I also said in-wall as well but you didn't address that. Mounted speakers just ain't the best imo. I just am not a fan.
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did you miss the whole part where i'm still working placement?
will a couple of these end up on bookshelves? absolutely.
will a couple end up in the kids' rooms and move around all the time? absolutely.
will some end up mounted if the application makes sense? absolutely.
like i stated above, just seems thrown together. I'd rather my speakers professionally installed with minimal footprint. Just looks a lot cleaner to me.
With that said my outdoor speakers are most definitely on mounts.
This post was edited on 5/9/17 at 11:04 am
Posted on 5/9/17 at 11:04 am to CAD703X
keeping terminology, it basically makes each speaker its own zone. so speaker 1 and 2 are in bedroom and 3 and 4 are outside. so you can group them together to have a bedroom group and a patio group. to play together or separately.
more than 2zone receivers are very expensive, but now with hubs and modern software this should be rather easy for a wink/samsung like company to make the wink/smarthings version of this control4 product.
more than 2zone receivers are very expensive, but now with hubs and modern software this should be rather easy for a wink/samsung like company to make the wink/smarthings version of this control4 product.
Posted on 5/9/17 at 11:07 am to CarRamrod
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and you get to pay 200$ for one speaker.
not this little piggie
i'm having good luck with the local 'buy sell trade' and i bought a play:5 from newegg for $199.
again, i'm not saying this is for everyone, just explained how i'm done with the traditional AVR model.
i'm sure there are alternatives, i just happen to think this one is easy and in the grand scheme of things isn't that expensive.
i mean lutron wanted $3,000 for a damn paper shade
Posted on 5/9/17 at 11:08 am to CarRamrod
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keeping terminology, it basically makes each speaker its own zone. so speaker 1 and 2 are in bedroom and 3 and 4 are outside. so you can group them together to have a bedroom group and a patio group. to play together or separately.
Im not seeing the cost benefit though. I guess i'd have to run the numbers. But it seems like a receiver, 5.1 in the living room, zone 2 on the patio, and 1 $35 chromecast would be a lot cheaper.
I do see the benefit of Sonos being more nimble but i prefer my speakers to not move around anyway.
Posted on 5/9/17 at 11:09 am to CarRamrod
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more than 2zone receivers are very expensive,
exactly. i'd be curious what the entry level AVR costs that supports more than 'zone 2'.
Posted on 5/9/17 at 11:10 am to CAD703X
i just looked for someone recently. Saw a refurb for about $700 and a top of the line one for around $1500.
Posted on 5/9/17 at 11:13 am to bbap
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m not seeing the cost benefit though. I guess i'd have to run the numbers. But it seems like a receiver, 5.1 in the living room, zone 2 on the patio, and 1 $35 chromecast would be a lot cheaper.
I do see the benefit of Sonos being more nimble but i prefer my speakers to not move around anyway.
you're assuming you already have a nice speaker system in place.
you're correct in that it doesnt make sense for you.
my situation is probably a bit unique; gave my whole 5.1 setup to my son (including a hsu sub) because we just dont have a 'home theater' type room in our new house so i don't see myself ever hooking that up again.
for me, the smaller footprint of sonos makes a ton of sense.
the only thing i may have to throw away is my vizio soundbar/sub combo but i only spent $100 on that so no big loss if i upgrade to a playbar down the road.
Posted on 5/9/17 at 11:13 am to bbap
quote:for you yea. but for someone that wants to spend a few k they could buy their 7 speakers for the surround sound, patio speakers, bedroom, bathroom, and kitchen. Then can set it up and play any speaker specifically, and group of speakers, any group od group of speakers, or all of them.
Im not seeing the cost benefit though
I definitely see the benefit of it but it would cost. similar to paying for the one ap controls all of C4 compared to diy stitching Wink/smartthings. Granted wink/smartthings arent as far behind as the speaker industry.
I believe and hope Bose, Yamaha and others quickly catch up to reduce the prices to more reasonable prices.
Posted on 5/9/17 at 11:14 am to bbap
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But it seems like a receiver, 5.1 in the living room, zone 2 on the patio, and 1 $35 chromecast would be a lot cheaper.
It is, generally. However, if you have kids and a SO/wife Sonos speakers are less hassle and "bitch proof" whereas swapping between multiple inputs and more wires, etc gives it to Sonos in my opinion.
Posted on 5/9/17 at 11:15 am to CAD703X
Sonos is essentially an unlimited "Zone" system
quote:well time for them to come out with a dongle which turns hardwired speakers into sonos. which im sure they have and can release but wont until other companies catch up. They dont need to release it yet. (Apple is the best at this type of business) Have Version 6 but people are camping out for Version 2 right now.
the only thing i may have to throw away is my vizio soundbar/sub combo but i only spent $100 on that so no big loss if i upgrade to a playbar down the road.
This post was edited on 5/9/17 at 11:17 am
Posted on 5/9/17 at 11:16 am to CAD703X
quote:
m not seeing the cost benefit though. I guess i'd have to run the numbers. But it seems like a receiver, 5.1 in the living room, zone 2 on the patio, and 1 $35 chromecast would be a lot cheaper.
I do see the benefit of Sonos being more nimble but i prefer my speakers to not move around anyway.
you're assuming you already have a nice speaker system in place.
no i wasnt. see where i included 5.1 and zone 2 speakers for the patio in the cost.
I understand though that with my setup you are limited at that. If you wanted kitchen, bathroom, multiple bedrooms, etc it would require more receivers and thus the limitations.
But again you keep talking about being able to "group" stuff and i just don't see how that's different than what a $35 chromecast audio does.
Posted on 5/9/17 at 11:17 am to bbap
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top of the line one for around $1500.
you could get:
1 play5 ($500)
2 play3 ($600)
2 play1 ($400)
giving you roughly 3 or 4 rooms (assuming one room has play 5, another has 2 play 3s and one play1 in each of your kids' rooms)
like you said, the big difference is flexibilty and the loss of TV control with an AVR
Posted on 5/9/17 at 11:19 am to CAD703X
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you could get:
1 play5 ($500)
2 play3 ($600)
2 play1 ($400)
giving you roughly 3 or 4 rooms (assuming one room has play 5, another has 2 play 3s and one play1 in each of your kids' rooms)
like you said, the big difference is flexibilty and the loss of TV control with an AVR
You are only putting 1 speaker in an entire room? I assumed for a living room you would be putting 5 speakers in there. Like a normal 5.1 setup.
This post was edited on 5/9/17 at 11:20 am
Posted on 5/9/17 at 11:19 am to bbap
quote:hell i dont understand what you are asking. for a chrome cast to work it needs a receiver to power the speaker.
i just don't see how that's different than what a $35 chromecast audio does.
Posted on 5/9/17 at 11:20 am to DoubleDown
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Sonos speakers are less hassle and "bitch proof" whereas swapping between multiple inputs and more wires, etc gives it to Sonos in my opinion.
never underestimate this factor.
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