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re: Burger King's new net neutrality ad

Posted on 1/26/18 at 8:12 am to
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 1/26/18 at 8:12 am to
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Who's stopping google fiber from servicing your area?


Cox, AT&T, Comcast etc
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125410 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 8:12 am to
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So local/state governments made legislation that prevent google fiber from being installed, then can't create new legislation to allow the installation, and the solution is more government regulation (ie net neutrality)?


You must be new to this
Posted by antiventura
Member since Aug 2007
69 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 8:33 am to
Sorry I didn't get to reply earlier, my ISP slowed my TigerDropping speeds to .00000000001 mbps

The frustrating thing about "Net Neutrality" as a discussion is there are a ton of people defending legislation from 2015 as if the Internet was complete chaos before then. There are already laws to protect against most people's concerns, and we don't need another layer of government bullshite to protect from that.

Here's a couple good video's from former FCC Commissioner Robert McDowell:

MSNBC - Don't be the guy on the left

Bloomberg

Another one from current FCC Commissioner Brendan Carr
This post was edited on 1/26/18 at 8:57 am
Posted by drake20
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
13123 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 2:24 pm to
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The frustrating thing about "Net Neutrality" as a discussion is there are a ton of people defending legislation from 2015 as if the Internet was complete chaos before then. There are already laws to protect against most people's concerns, and we don't need another layer of government bullshite to protect from that.


This is a dishonest talking point regurgitated by Pai that his supporters never address or ignore.

You are aware that there was a court case at the end of 2014 that put the FTC's authority into question in regulating non-common carrier services of common carrier companies.

The ability of the FTC to regulate the internet like it was before 2015 is still up in the air.
This post was edited on 1/26/18 at 2:26 pm
Posted by antiventura
Member since Aug 2007
69 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:06 pm to
I assume you're talking about AT&T?

It looks to me that the FTC lost its ability to regulate because AT&T was reclassified as a common carrier by the FCC as part of the 2015 legislature.

AT&T Lawsuit Stuff

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The company told judges on the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals the FTC can’t enforce a 2014 fine leveled against AT&T for throttling unlimited data plan customers without notice because AT&T doesn’t fall under the agency’s jurisdiction anymore. That’s the result of the Federal Communications Commission’s 2015 net neutrality rules reclassifying internet providers as “common carriers,” a public utility designation the FTC can’t regulate.


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Judges also pointed out the FCC, now led by Republicans, is working on a repeal of the 2015 net neutrality rules, including the reclassification of internet providers as common carriers. If passed, the move would put AT&T, Verizon, and others back under the FTC’s jurisdiction.


Please share a link if you have anything stating otherwise. I'm curious if I'm missing anything here, but as of now I don't have any concerns about Net Neutrality being repealed.
This post was edited on 1/26/18 at 3:07 pm
Posted by drake20
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
13123 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 4:11 pm to
That literally doesn't make any sense given that the argument was pertaining to non-common carrier services of a common carrier, which is what Verizon and ATT are as phone companies before the reclassification

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The AT&T case was filed months before the FCC reclassified Internet access as a common carrier service. The new status of Internet access thus had no bearing on the decision; judges wrote that they had no need to address "the effect of the FCC's reclassification order."


LINK

Feel free to read the actual lawsuit publication too

LINK

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Judges at the US Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit sided with AT&T, saying that the common carrier exception is a "status-based exemption" and not an "activity-based exemption." This protects AT&T from FTC regulations designed to protect consumers from unfair or deceptive practices, even when AT&T is conducting non-common activities. 
This post was edited on 1/26/18 at 4:21 pm
Posted by LeClerc
USVI
Member since Oct 2012
2738 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 10:24 am to
Thanks for sharing. Sent to everyone I know. And thanks to BK. I wonder why they got involved though?
Posted by TOSOV
Member since Jan 2016
8922 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 10:59 am to
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What? I feel like I'm being taken advantage of by Suddenlink as I've been saying my bill gets bumped up $5/month every few months with no explanation and when I call to challenge they basically tell me tough luck. My only other choice is ATT that maxes out at a whopping 3 Mbps, but in reality it is usually ~0.8 Mbps.


This was happening with net neutrality though right? Serious question. Trying to understand how it will change now.
Posted by TOSOV
Member since Jan 2016
8922 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 11:03 am to
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Net Neutrality makes people really dumb


Can you elaborate? Trying to better understand this topic.

Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
57442 posts
Posted on 1/29/18 at 9:22 am to
quote:

Who's stopping google fiber from servicing your area?

municipal governments, some state governments.

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