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Build - Buying a New Desktop: Some Gaming, Media Server, General Use
Posted on 9/5/18 at 10:27 am
Posted on 9/5/18 at 10:27 am
Thoughts?
System Core
Motherboard
Gigabyte Z370 AORUS 5
CPU
Intel Core i5 8600K 3.6GHz Six Core 9MB 95W
Ram
Crucial 32GB DDR4-2666 (2x16GB)
Video Card
EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB ACX 3.0
Sound Card
Onboard Sound
Networking
spacer Integrated WiFi+Bluetooth
Storage
Hard Drive
Western Digital Red 2TB SATA3
Comments: Secondary drive.
Samsung 860 EVO 500GB SATA3 2.5inch SSD
CD / DVD
Asus 24x DVD-RW SATA (Black)
Case / Cooling
Power Supply
EVGA SuperNOVA 650W P2 Power Supply
CPU Cooling
Noctua NH-U12S
Monitor
spacer Samsung 27-inch S27H850QFN QHD Monitor
System Core
Motherboard
Gigabyte Z370 AORUS 5
CPU
Intel Core i5 8600K 3.6GHz Six Core 9MB 95W
Ram
Crucial 32GB DDR4-2666 (2x16GB)
Video Card
EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB ACX 3.0
Sound Card
Onboard Sound
Networking
spacer Integrated WiFi+Bluetooth
Storage
Hard Drive
Western Digital Red 2TB SATA3
Comments: Secondary drive.
Samsung 860 EVO 500GB SATA3 2.5inch SSD
CD / DVD
Asus 24x DVD-RW SATA (Black)
Case / Cooling
Power Supply
EVGA SuperNOVA 650W P2 Power Supply
CPU Cooling
Noctua NH-U12S
Monitor
spacer Samsung 27-inch S27H850QFN QHD Monitor
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Posted on 9/5/18 at 10:42 am to Freauxzen
Why is RAM so expensive. Im running 16GB and want to run more, it is just so expensive.
Just my thoughts,
-your paying 250 for the i5 why not just to the i7 for 300
- light gaming and you want a 1080? why not save money and look for something less since gaming isnt the sole purpose of the machine.
- does that say your secondary drive is you SSD? If i could start over i would go ahead and put the boot drive on a m.2 SSD. im going to upgrade mine at some point to get a full 6 sata slots for my server. i would go more than 2TB if you are using this as a server.
- Why even a dvd player? I knoe you might just need one but for me it uses a sata slot i would want a HDD on.
- i would reconsider your cooler, the ones that sit on the CPU like that just take a tone of room in the case. I have the Cooler Master Hyper RR-212E-20PK-R2 and i want to remove it. i want one that runs to a fan you mount on the back of the case. like the Cooler Master MasterLiquid LC120E
Just my thoughts,
-your paying 250 for the i5 why not just to the i7 for 300
- light gaming and you want a 1080? why not save money and look for something less since gaming isnt the sole purpose of the machine.
- does that say your secondary drive is you SSD? If i could start over i would go ahead and put the boot drive on a m.2 SSD. im going to upgrade mine at some point to get a full 6 sata slots for my server. i would go more than 2TB if you are using this as a server.
- Why even a dvd player? I knoe you might just need one but for me it uses a sata slot i would want a HDD on.
- i would reconsider your cooler, the ones that sit on the CPU like that just take a tone of room in the case. I have the Cooler Master Hyper RR-212E-20PK-R2 and i want to remove it. i want one that runs to a fan you mount on the back of the case. like the Cooler Master MasterLiquid LC120E
This post was edited on 9/5/18 at 10:50 am
Posted on 9/5/18 at 12:25 pm to Freauxzen
2tb ain't a whole lot for a media server.
I'm moving from 4tb drives to 8tb
I'm moving from 4tb drives to 8tb
Posted on 9/5/18 at 12:31 pm to bluebarracuda
yea i want to add another 8 or 2.
Posted on 9/5/18 at 12:33 pm to CarRamrod
I mostly needed to move to higher capacity drives for space reasons. I already had 12 4tb drives, so I couldn't take on anymore. Finally got rid of all drives but 3
Posted on 9/5/18 at 12:39 pm to bluebarracuda
yea im trading out my 3TBs for 8TBs
Posted on 9/5/18 at 12:50 pm to CarRamrod
quote:
-your paying 250 for the i5 why not just to the i7 for 300
Good thought.
quote:
- light gaming and you want a 1080? why not save money and look for something less since gaming isnt the sole purpose of the machine.
I figured it's the bare minimum. I don't want it to suck at gaming, but yeah my big gaming days are done. Maybe I just want to game more, but know I never will
quote:
does that say your secondary drive is you SSD? If i could start over i would go ahead and put the boot drive on a m.2 SSD. im going to upgrade mine at some point to get a full 6 sata slots for my server.
Good catch
quote:
i would go more than 2TB if you are using this as a server.
Yeah I was thinking 4.
quote:
- Why even a dvd player? I knoe you might just need one but for me it uses a sata slot i would want a HDD on.
WHole bunch of DVDs and Blu-Rays I want to rip
quote:
- i would reconsider your cooler, the ones that sit on the CPU like that just take a tone of room in the case. I have the Cooler Master Hyper RR-212E-20PK-R2 and i want to remove it. i want one that runs to a fan you mount on the back of the case. like the Cooler Master MasterLiquid LC120E
It's from Puget systems and the whole setup is supposed to be super quiet, which would be a nice bonus.
Posted on 9/5/18 at 12:58 pm to Freauxzen
You're spending over $3k on that build? I'd sell you my better PC for that price
This post was edited on 9/5/18 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 9/5/18 at 1:02 pm to bluebarracuda
yea you can save MAJOR money buying and building yourself. it isnt difficult. Plus everyone here will help you if you decide to tackle it.
This post was edited on 9/5/18 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 9/5/18 at 1:08 pm to Freauxzen
quote:
WHole bunch of DVDs and Blu-Rays I want to rip
The drive you listed looks like a DVD drive, which means you won't be able to rip Blu Ray (all Blu Ray drives should rip DVDs).
Just some thoughts:
A standard Blu Ray holds 25gb. The "UHD" disks hold 50gb, typically. While the simple main movie file may not be quite that size, most of them are up there.
DVD disks are 4.7gb. I don't think movies you buy are on the double-layer 8.5gb disks, but I may be wrong.
Just consider how you're going to rip/compress and how much raw file you'll have before settling on a 2TB drive, especially if you're a crazy person and want to store full-disk .iso
The good news is that Windows Storage Spaces (win 8 and beyond) allows you to pretty easily expand storage with parity, but you won't be able to do that with an SSD and a spinning disk in a particularly useful way. Consider at least starting with 2x2tb drives for redundancy, because a single drive failure after the time involved with actually ripping disks would probably make me want to rip my own eyes out.
Many here will point out that it's easier to find rips of your movies online and not to bother with ripping yourself. It becomes ethically gray there, but I avoid it and slowly rip my collection as well. Just make sure you read about the software, file type you will want before you start down that path.
Posted on 9/5/18 at 1:25 pm to bluebarracuda
hey i dont want to hijack this but i have a 3TB that just failed and i dont see it anymore. How do i diagnose whats wrong?
Posted on 9/5/18 at 1:49 pm to CarRamrod
quote:
yea you can save MAJOR money buying and building yourself.
Yeah, I've flirted with this over time, but I just don't have the time or skills to put to. I don't mind paying to not spend the time.
quote:
Plus everyone here will help you if you decide to tackle it.
Hence the thread thanks
Building a computer is just not my thing. And I just don't trust myself with projects like that, regardless of how easy it seems. And I don't want to learn.
Posted on 9/5/18 at 1:51 pm to Hopeful Doc
quote:
The drive you listed looks like a DVD drive, which means you won't be able to rip Blu Ray (all Blu Ray drives should rip DVDs).
Just some thoughts:
A standard Blu Ray holds 25gb. The "UHD" disks hold 50gb, typically. While the simple main movie file may not be quite that size, most of them are up there.
DVD disks are 4.7gb. I don't think movies you buy are on the double-layer 8.5gb disks, but I may be wrong.
Just consider how you're going to rip/compress and how much raw file you'll have before settling on a 2TB drive, especially if you're a crazy person and want to store full-disk .iso
Yeah noticed that, need to change it. Additionally, it won't be ALL of my owned movies, just a selection to be done with storing cases, then some downloaded items here and there, and my music.
quote:
The good news is that Windows Storage Spaces (win 8 and beyond) allows you to pretty easily expand storage with parity, but you won't be able to do that with an SSD and a spinning disk in a particularly useful way. Consider at least starting with 2x2tb drives for redundancy, because a single drive failure after the time involved with actually ripping disks would probably make me want to rip my own eyes out.
Would you do an SSD at all, or do an SSD and 2 2TBs?
quote:
Many here will point out that it's easier to find rips of your movies online and not to bother with ripping yourself. It becomes ethically gray there, but I avoid it and slowly rip my collection as well. Just make sure you read about the software, file type you will want before you start down that path.
Yeah I'm trying to reduce the amount I do that now.
Posted on 9/5/18 at 2:07 pm to Freauxzen
hey no prob.
quote:absolutly you always want your OS on an SSD. but keep all your data on the other drives.
Would you do an SSD at all,
Posted on 9/5/18 at 2:08 pm to Freauxzen
Well shite buy my much better, fully assembled PC for $3k!
Posted on 9/5/18 at 2:09 pm to bluebarracuda
i was about to put a better system together for him and say i would build it for 3k.
Posted on 9/5/18 at 2:10 pm to bluebarracuda
oohh you might like this im about to move one of my 1080ti minis to my PC and game a bit.
Posted on 9/5/18 at 2:13 pm to CarRamrod
quote:
i was about to put a better system together for him and say i would build it for 3k.
ha. WOuldn't be opposed to that.
Posted on 9/5/18 at 2:14 pm to Freauxzen
quote:
Would you do an SSD at all, or do an SSD and 2 2TBs?
I would never forego an SSD for the OS, essentially all apps.
I wouldn't do much media storage on an ssd, especially not movies/music. 500gb just isn't very big, the price/gb for space on an ssd is just too high.
When it comes to the HDD, it's going to depend on what exactly you're doing and how much you've got. If your "bunch" of movies is 20, you can get by with the ssd and backing it up to the hdd. If you're talking about 600gb of files and looking to expand, you should think of your SSD as "OS and programs" and your 2TB drive as "storage."
I'm a little neurotic. Drive failure of things you want is catastrophic. Two local copies should be the absolute minimum you want to do. If you're doing nightly backups of your SSD on the HDD and not really using the HDD for much or don't really care if you lose things only on the HDD, you're meeting the bare minimum. If you do want to basically have an "OS/program" drive + a "media drive," I would consider at least a pair of drives + Windows Storage Spaces and run whatever is a similar word to "mirror" or "parity."
Getting nitty gritty, but RAID wiki, scroll down to the chart. "mirror" is RAID 1. You get half the space, you get to have one drive fail without losing date. RAID 5 or 'parity' technically requires 3 real drives (uncertain if the Windows being a software RAID has a way around this). This is what I do. It should require 3 drives (the ssd wouldn't count in this) which would let you store on 2 drives and use the other drive to store chksums and be able to rebuild a lost drive. You lose 1 disk (as opposed to half in the other option), but it is the largest disk (assuming a hardware RAID- software RAID with Windows Storage spaces is not the same and follows some different rules- I can't necessarily speak to them). So for you, setting up a "mirror" or software RAID 1 is a good option for 2 drives. You store on one, the other is backup. The problem is if you want a third drive, you still only get half the storage space as you double the drives (so 2x 2TB = 2TB, 4x2TB = 4TB). RAID 5 (starting with 3) allows you to add a single drive at a time. You get N-1 drive of space (3x2TB = 4TB, 4x2TB = 6TB, etc).
Again, storage spaces and other software RAID abides by slightly different rules. I'm not sure of your budget. But I would at least consider SSD + 2x2tb mirrored. You may even be able to get by with a 256gb SSD to save some money to do this if you are running your storage this way.
this was quick and dirty while at work. I can try to explain better if that's not helpful.
anyone who knows software/hardware RAID better than I should feel free to jump in and correct me. I'm not an authority.
Posted on 9/5/18 at 2:38 pm to Hopeful Doc
quote:
I would never forego an SSD for the OS, essentially all apps.
I wouldn't do much media storage on an ssd, especially not movies/music. 500gb just isn't very big, the price/gb for space on an ssd is just too high.
When it comes to the HDD, it's going to depend on what exactly you're doing and how much you've got. If your "bunch" of movies is 20, you can get by with the ssd and backing it up to the hdd. If you're talking about 600gb of files and looking to expand, you should think of your SSD as "OS and programs" and your 2TB drive as "storage."
Yeah that was the plan for the 2tb
quote:
I'm a little neurotic. Drive failure of things you want is catastrophic. Two local copies should be the absolute minimum you want to do. If you're doing nightly backups of your SSD on the HDD and not really using the HDD for much or don't really care if you lose things only on the HDD, you're meeting the bare minimum. If you do want to basically have an "OS/program" drive + a "media drive," I would consider at least a pair of drives + Windows Storage Spaces and run whatever is a similar word to "mirror" or "parity."
Getting nitty gritty, but RAID wiki, scroll down to the chart. "mirror" is RAID 1. You get half the space, you get to have one drive fail without losing date. RAID 5 or 'parity' technically requires 3 real drives (uncertain if the Windows being a software RAID has a way around this). This is what I do. It should require 3 drives (the ssd wouldn't count in this) which would let you store on 2 drives and use the other drive to store chksums and be able to rebuild a lost drive. You lose 1 disk (as opposed to half in the other option), but it is the largest disk (assuming a hardware RAID- software RAID with Windows Storage spaces is not the same and follows some different rules- I can't necessarily speak to them). So for you, setting up a "mirror" or software RAID 1 is a good option for 2 drives. You store on one, the other is backup. The problem is if you want a third drive, you still only get half the storage space as you double the drives (so 2x 2TB = 2TB, 4x2TB = 4TB). RAID 5 (starting with 3) allows you to add a single drive at a time. You get N-1 drive of space (3x2TB = 4TB, 4x2TB = 6TB, etc).
Again, storage spaces and other software RAID abides by slightly different rules. I'm not sure of your budget. But I would at least consider SSD + 2x2tb mirrored. You may even be able to get by with a 256gb SSD to save some money to do this if you are running your storage this way.
this was quick and dirty while at work. I can try to explain better if that's not helpful.
anyone who knows software/hardware RAID better than I should feel free to jump in and correct me. I'm not an authority.
This is exactly the stuff I needed to know......and exactly the reason why I need someone to set it up for me instead
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