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ATSC 3.0 Coming NOLA Next Week

Posted on 12/8/22 at 10:33 am
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
9761 posts
Posted on 12/8/22 at 10:33 am
Buckle up NOLA TV geeks. ATSC 3.0 lighting up next week. I found this on the AVS Forum and WWL constantly remind me to rescan my TV if I wanted to keep watching WUPL.

quote:

TEGNA Inc. (“TEGNA”), on behalf of its subsidiary Belo TV, Inc. (“Licensee”), licensee of television
station WUPL, Slidell, LA (“WUPL”), requests Commission authority for WUPL to convert to Next Gen
Television (ATSC 3.0) operation and establish an ATSC 1.0 format simulcast of WUPL’s primary channel
via WNOL, New Orleans, LA (“WNOL”). Licensee has entered into written channel sharing agreements
with WNOL’s licensee, Tribune Television New Orleans, Inc., providing for WNOL to host WUPL’s primary
channel in ATSC 1.0 format and for WUPL to host an ATSC 3.0 simulcast of WNOL’s primary channel in
ATSC 3.0 format. WUPL also intends to host ATSC 3.0 simulcasts of the primary channels of WWL-TV (a
TEGNA station), WGNO, WDSU, and WVUE-DT, all licensed to New Orleans, LA. All stations involved in
these proposed sharing arrangements are located within the New Orleans DMA. As shown in the
Engineering Statement attached to this application, WNOL’s signal fully serves WUPL’s community of
license and 100 percent of the population currently within WUPL’s ATSC 1.0 contour.1

Licensee intends to commence WCCT’s ATSC 3.0 operations on December 14, 2022.
Licensee concurrently is filing a request for Special Temporary Authority to enable (1) WGNO to
host WUPL’s existing multicast channels affiliated with the Quest and Heroes & Icons networks in ATSC
1.0 format, (2) WVUE-DT to host WUPL’s existing multicast channel affiliated with the This TV network in
ATSC 1.0 format, and (3) WDSU to host WUPL’s existing multicast channel affiliated with the True Real
network in ATSC 1.0 format.
Posted by DoubleDown
New Orleans, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2008
13140 posts
Posted on 12/8/22 at 12:29 pm to
I recently hooked my digital antenna tuner into my HDHomerun Quatro box for plex. Can someone tell me like a child what this brings?

I thought it makes the channels UHD and potentially carry digital 5.1 sound? No? Anything else?
Posted by TigerGman
Center of the Universe
Member since Sep 2006
12374 posts
Posted on 12/8/22 at 12:37 pm to
Engrish please
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
9761 posts
Posted on 12/8/22 at 12:45 pm to
quote:

Engrish please


On December 14th, the major New Orleans TV stations will start broadcasting ASTC 3.0 channels on WUPL’s current signal.

WUPL will move to a sub channel of WNOL and a few other sub channels that were carried on WNOL will move to other stations.

With ATSC 3.0 more bandwidth and newer compression schemes can be used to get better signals from the stations in stead of the hot garbage they put out that squeezes as much bandwidth as possible to bring you HeeHaw on channel x.5.

At first one station will be used to relay the ATSC 3.0 versions of the main channels.
Posted by DoubleDown
New Orleans, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2008
13140 posts
Posted on 12/8/22 at 1:00 pm to
A quick google search of what ATSC 3.0 provides gave me this little nugget:
Improved Image Quality: ATSC 3.0 allows transmissions of 4K UHD, including wide color gamut (WCG), high-dynamic-range imaging (HDRI), and high frame rate (HFR), providing viewers with a clearer, brighter, and better-defined image. Better Reception: ATSC enables one aerial to receive multiple channels at high quality.

But I guess it's all image quality only based. No dolby digital 5.1 (if source has it). Then again, not sure why anyone needs to watch re-runs of the Xfiles in 5.1 but - maybe?
This post was edited on 12/8/22 at 1:02 pm
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
15388 posts
Posted on 12/8/22 at 1:05 pm to
quote:

I thought it makes the channels UHD and potentially carry digital 5.1 sound? No? Anything else?



It doesn’t make the channel UHD/5.1. It gives the station the capability to broadcast in those formats IF you have a tuner capable of receiving the signal.


So, eventually it should theoretically all be broadcast in UHD, but I’m sure some shows will not actually support it for some time.
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
15388 posts
Posted on 12/8/22 at 1:07 pm to
quote:

A quick google search of what ATSC 3.0 provides gave me this little nugget: Improved Image Quality: ATSC 3.0 allows transmissions of 4K UHD, including wide color gamut (WCG), high-dynamic-range imaging (HDRI), and high frame rate (HFR), providing viewers with a clearer, brighter, and better-defined image. Better Reception: ATSC enables one aerial to receive multiple channels at high quality. But I guess it's all image quality only based. No dolby digital 5.1 (if source has it). Then again, not sure why anyone needs to watch re-runs of the Xfiles in 5.1 but - maybe?



ATSC1.0 is capable of 5.1 sound already


3.0 goes from Dolby AC3 to AC4, capable of 7.1.4 if supported by the broadcast itself.
This post was edited on 12/8/22 at 1:09 pm
Posted by DoubleDown
New Orleans, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2008
13140 posts
Posted on 12/8/22 at 1:12 pm to
Aye, thanks. I just read that too:

ATSC 3.0 uses the newer Dolby AC-4 for broadcasts of up to 7.1.4 channel audio, and it supports object-based sound formats like Dolby Atmos.
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
9761 posts
Posted on 12/8/22 at 4:56 pm to
I just bought this:



It is the SiliconDust HDHomeRun Flex 4K ATSC 3.0 NextGen TV Tuner. It is a tuner that allows you to record and stream TV back to your TV or smart device. It has 2 ATSC 3.0 tuners. And 2 regular ATSC regular tuners.

I am just curious as to how many early adopters they will have to ATSC 3.0 broadcasts or will this fail to take hold until the next standard upgrade happens. Also, not many TVs have 3.0 tuners unless you are buying a top of the line new generation set. The Black Friday specials are sometimes one or 2 generations old.

Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
15388 posts
Posted on 12/8/22 at 6:38 pm to
quote:

It is a tuner that allows you to record* and stream TV back to your TV or smart device.


*for an annual fee
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
9761 posts
Posted on 12/8/22 at 7:34 pm to
quote:

*for an annual fee


I think it is only 30 dollars a year.

Many moons ago, I had a TiVo and a 20 dollar monthly fee so I can manage.

I was thinking about a TiVo box, but they have yet to roll out a 3.0 tuner and got rid of some cool features like remote viewing. It is a shame that they bastardized their interface and sold themselves to a shill of the cable industry.
Posted by mchias1
Member since Dec 2009
904 posts
Posted on 12/8/22 at 8:44 pm to
It's $30 if you use their app as a dvr which I used with cable until recently. You can use their app for free but you only get like 1-2 days worth of guide data.

You can use the grid guide on Android TV to watch live tv, but no dvr.
This post was edited on 12/8/22 at 8:46 pm
Posted by UltimaParadox
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2008
47220 posts
Posted on 12/9/22 at 8:25 am to
quote:

It doesn’t make the channel UHD/5.1. It gives the station the capability to broadcast in those formats IF you have a tuner capable of receiving the signal.


So, eventually it should theoretically all be broadcast in UHD, but I’m sure some shows will not actually support it for some time.


If TEGNA follows suit like they did in other markets. Not only will you not get UHD picture from the main channel, you will get a further compressed garbage picture. Instead they will cram a few more channels down the same pipe and combine other networks.
This post was edited on 12/9/22 at 8:27 am
Posted by DoubleDown
New Orleans, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2008
13140 posts
Posted on 12/9/22 at 9:36 am to
Ah hell, I didn't even think of this as a potential bottleneck. I have the HDHomeRun Quatro tuner but I guess that won't get the new ATSC 3.0 signal, huh?

Damn.
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
15388 posts
Posted on 12/9/22 at 12:39 pm to
quote:

I think it is only 30 dollars a year.



That’s about right.


It is included in both Plex and Emby’s lifetime memberships. It’s roughly the price of buying the guide data yourself without having to roll it out yourself.

It’s about $8/m for ChannelsDVR which will provide the guide data for you AND scrape all your TV Everywhere data/logins into a user guide that’s streamable in pseudo-cable format. But this requires active subscription to those channels, usually by satellite or cable.
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
9761 posts
Posted on 12/9/22 at 1:36 pm to
quote:

If TEGNA follows suit like they did in other markets. Not only will you not get UHD picture from the main channel, you will get a further compressed garbage picture. Instead they will cram a few more channels down the same pipe and combine other networks.


Unfortunately, that sounds like most implementations around the country.

Most networks and local TV stations have yet to deploy UHD equipment in their video chains while their studio cameras, field cameras, editors, and TV sets are slowly becoming capable of creating or using UHD video.

Also, it doesn’t help that you will have 5 HD stations on one single 3.0 station using HEVC codecs and about 57 Mbit/s of bandwidth to share. It will be interesting to see when they get all this working.

This post was edited on 12/11/22 at 6:12 am
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