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Are the Canon M50 and Sony ZV-E10 still the best entry level cameras for YouTube?
Posted on 9/18/22 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 9/18/22 at 3:57 pm
I did ask the youtubes the same question, but it's hard to be sure what's what with the algorithms and paid promotions and whatnot.
I think both cameras mentioned are capable of 4K, but from what I've read/heard/watched the 4K on the Canon is not as good. That's fine though, 4K is just a nice to have and not a requirement.
I do plan to get an external mic, and if either camera makes it easier to use a wireless clip-on mic that would be a huge plus.
I don't think I need any fancy features or a huge assortment of lenses. I will mostly just be recording myself fumbling my way through various projects.
I am at level 0 here as far as making and editing videos, so any other input here would be much appreciated.
I think both cameras mentioned are capable of 4K, but from what I've read/heard/watched the 4K on the Canon is not as good. That's fine though, 4K is just a nice to have and not a requirement.
I do plan to get an external mic, and if either camera makes it easier to use a wireless clip-on mic that would be a huge plus.
I don't think I need any fancy features or a huge assortment of lenses. I will mostly just be recording myself fumbling my way through various projects.
I am at level 0 here as far as making and editing videos, so any other input here would be much appreciated.
Posted on 9/18/22 at 4:51 pm to Korkstand
Obviously it depends on the ultimate, end goal of your photography/video hobby.
Canon, despite being an industry leader, was kind of late to the mirrorless game. They were probably late because they did not want to abandon the huge selection of legacy SLR lenses.
Now, I do prefer the way Canon does most things, but Sony has been the real vanguard in mirrorless, particularly in progressing the tech, offering a dizzying array of bodies.
Since you don't look to be looking at removable lens options, the other players to consider would be the Olympus M-10 III and the Fuji XT-20.
5 years ago, with your choice, no question I would have picked the Canon. Today? Probably 50/50 between the Canon and and Sony. I know that doesn't help you.
Canon, despite being an industry leader, was kind of late to the mirrorless game. They were probably late because they did not want to abandon the huge selection of legacy SLR lenses.
Now, I do prefer the way Canon does most things, but Sony has been the real vanguard in mirrorless, particularly in progressing the tech, offering a dizzying array of bodies.
Since you don't look to be looking at removable lens options, the other players to consider would be the Olympus M-10 III and the Fuji XT-20.
5 years ago, with your choice, no question I would have picked the Canon. Today? Probably 50/50 between the Canon and and Sony. I know that doesn't help you.

Posted on 9/18/22 at 5:10 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:You can change the lens on the M50, correct?
Since you don't look to be looking at removable lens options
quote:Kind of open-ended at this point. For the foreseeable future I only plan to make youtube videos, so I guess I won't need different lenses but I think it would be nice to have the option.
Obviously it depends on the ultimate, end goal of your photography/video hobby.
I think the two most critical features for me would be a flip out screen (which I think all the options mentioned so far have) and an external mic input and/or a way to use a wireless mic. I think a lot of the time I will be a ways from the camera and I'd like to capture all of my grunts and cursing.

Posted on 9/18/22 at 5:32 pm to Korkstand
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You can change the lens on the M50, correct?
Yeah and I'm sorry. I was actually thinking of another camera. This is their entry level, cropped sensor MILC (sort of the replacement for the DSLR Rebel product line).
I just haven't handled many of these mirrorless cameras. I was doing tons of research on Canon's launch. Mrs. Midnight has a DSLR (A Rebel) with half dozen of the old APS-C EOS lenses. I wanted to be informed before any changes, but it didn't come to anything. We didn't add any new lenses to the stable and we didn't upgrade bodies.
It's a big choice once you start buying lenses, but with the mirrorless I see the potential for a universal adapter down the line. The space requirements between the sensor and the back of the lens is a big part of the gamechanging nature of the technology. The cameras are getting smaller and lighter based on that advancement alone.
Posted on 9/18/22 at 5:46 pm to Ace Midnight
As I understand it the M50 has an "EF-M" mount which I guess is their mirrorless version of the EF mount, and they offer an adapter for the camera to accept EF lenses. Also I am basically clueless about the various lenses and mount options, so I'm not even sure if what I just said makes any sense.
I imagine the lens that comes with the kit (15-45mm maybe) will take me a long way in making basic youtube videos. I might do a little bit of photography since I'll have it. Probably just for family stuff though, I have no interest in making photography a major hobby.
Unless there is something obviously better at the price point ($700), or something equivalent for video at a cheaper price, I think I will go ahead and pull the trigger.
I imagine the lens that comes with the kit (15-45mm maybe) will take me a long way in making basic youtube videos. I might do a little bit of photography since I'll have it. Probably just for family stuff though, I have no interest in making photography a major hobby.
Unless there is something obviously better at the price point ($700), or something equivalent for video at a cheaper price, I think I will go ahead and pull the trigger.
Posted on 9/18/22 at 7:08 pm to Korkstand
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I imagine the lens that comes with the kit (15-45mm maybe) will take me a long way in making basic youtube videos.
It's overkill for that, for sure. You can use your phone for "zero cost" option to get started or get a dedicated vlogging camera that won't have the best lens, necessarily, but is a purpose built piece of equipment that is tailored to do exactly what you want. It is a double-edged sword as you have to accept their choices when you buy one.
Also, don't ignore lighting. That's the often overlooked piece of it. A great camera is wasted money without a professional lighting solution. Great lighting can make a mediocre camera perform well.
Posted on 9/18/22 at 7:37 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:Probably, but I want to take it reasonably seriously and I usually have to put some skin in the game to get myself to do that.
It's overkill for that, for sure.

quote:I considered it, but I need my phone as a phone and if I'm shooting hours of video I'd have to get a second one or have it charging all the time. I might still use my phone occasionally, but mostly so that I can record two angles simultaneously (like face-on plus close-up of work).
You can use your phone for "zero cost" option to get started
quote:Yeah so while I really don't have much idea what I'm doing, I'd rather have at least a few options to fiddle with so that I can learn something in the process. It's going to be a DIY channel so the central theme will be learning stuff. I'll probably end up documenting things I learn about making videos.
or get a dedicated vlogging camera that won't have the best lens, necessarily, but is a purpose built piece of equipment that is tailored to do exactly what you want. It is a double-edged sword as you have to accept their choices when you buy one.
quote:Yes! I do plan to invest in some lighting. I do security cameras on the side, so I know at least a little bit about imaging and how critical lighting is.
Also, don't ignore lighting. That's the often overlooked piece of it. A great camera is wasted money without a professional lighting solution. Great lighting can make a mediocre camera perform well.
So I guess since you haven't said the M50 is trash, that was my preference from the beginning so I'll probably order one tomorrow after watching a ton more videos about it tonight.

Posted on 9/19/22 at 6:01 am to Korkstand
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So I guess since you haven't said the M50 is trash, that was my preference from the beginning so I'll probably order one tomorrow after watching a ton more videos about it tonight.
I don't want to steer you away from Sony. I'd be buying the same camera (the M50) if I was going to "upgrade" Mrs. Midnight's digital rebel and then try to figure out how to adapt the existing lenses. It is just a comfort and familiarity level with us.
If you're under some budget restraints, the cropped sensors are generally cheaper up front, and cheaper to buy lenses for. The old (DSLR) cropped mount could accept the full frame lenses at the cost of some math (

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