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re: Why does Klopp get a pass regarding how he handles domestic cups?

Posted on 2/6/20 at 8:16 am to
Posted by djsdawg
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Posted on 2/6/20 at 8:16 am to
So a December club World Cup is the difference? Probably a big reason why klopp has been playing kids in the FA. He knows how to navigate EPL and champions league with a similar roster, and he didn’t have to sacrifice either to make it happen last year.
Posted by DByrd2
Fredericksburg, VA
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 2/6/20 at 8:28 am to
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s this a serious question

90% of the Liverpool fans here will say squad depth is still an issue

Lack of squad depth helped contribute to City over taking them in the EPL last year


Sorry SCH, but I'm gonna have to disagree with this sentiment.

Injuries decimated us last season going into and coming out of the Christmas time frame. Our midfiled and back line were piecemeal at best. When James Milner is getting starts at left back and right back, it's not a good thing.

The weakest area of depth on our roster is, and has been, CB. Some would argue that Gomez has claimed the unequivocal #2 CB slot, but both Matip and Lovren have played significant minutes next to VVD. All three have had injuries both this season and last.

Oxlade-Chamberlain was severely injured late last year, Gini missed time, as did Hendo.

Liverpool ABSOLUTELY has squad depth, and quality within said depth as well.

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Squad depth is why City go balls to the wall in all four comps and its the reason Liverpool have to play musical chairs in only two


Disagree again, but I see what could make you think that.

The scheduling is shite in the FA Cup, period. It needs to be changed, and nobody is really arguing against that fact. Klopp isn't playing musical chairs here. He is proving a point. I wouldn't want to work with folks who have zero regards for the wishes and schedules of their "clients" (couldn't think of a better word here than client).

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If they want to keep the unbeaten season alive after clinching in April while still being in Europe that squad will be pushed to its limits. Trying to compare that to last season is absurd.


If I were a betting man, and for good reason I am not , I would say that Klopp will use the time after Liverpool clinch to give youth players time to shine and make for better club and transfer business in the future. We'll probably see a lot more of Jones, Chirivella, and Elliott in lineups, along with guys that need to get quality time in our system like Minamino.

That's not to say that the squads won't still be strong around those guys, but the idea will likely be to show off how deep our talent pool really is in an effort to attract transfer offers, both incoming and outgoing.
Posted by jordan21210
Member since Apr 2009
13910 posts
Posted on 2/6/20 at 9:15 am to
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So a December club World Cup is the difference?


And we were out of the FA cup in early January.

I’ll be honest, I don’t even know what we’re discussing anymore
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126237 posts
Posted on 2/6/20 at 9:18 am to
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Injuries decimated us last season going into and coming out of the Christmas time frame. Our midfiled and back line were piecemeal at best. When James Milner is getting starts at left back and right back, it's not a good thing. The weakest area of depth on our roster is, and has been, CB. Some would argue that Gomez has claimed the unequivocal #2 CB slot, but both Matip and Lovren have played significant minutes next to VVD. All three have had injuries both this season and last.

Oxlade-Chamberlain was severely injured late last year, Gini missed time, as did Hendo.


That’s a depth issue lol

When people get hurt and you can’t fill holes
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If I were a betting man, and for good reason I am not , I would say that Klopp will use the time after Liverpool clinch to give youth players time to shine and make for better club and transfer business in the future. We'll probably see a lot more of Jones, Chirivella, and Elliott in lineups, along with guys that need to get quality time in our system like Minamino.

That's not to say that the squads won't still be strong around those guys, but the idea will likely be to show off how deep our talent pool really is in an effort to attract transfer offers, both incoming and outgoing.


That would make the most sense if going unbeaten isn’t the priority once y’all get the monkey off your back
This post was edited on 2/6/20 at 9:26 am
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126237 posts
Posted on 2/6/20 at 9:20 am to
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a December club World Cup is the difference? Probably a big reason why klopp has been playing kids in the FA. He knows how to navigate EPL and champions league with a similar roster, and he didn’t have to sacrifice either to make it happen last year.



I think you are ignoring how hard it is to go unbeaten and all that pressure with that

Once City over took Liverpool last year it was all over and no chance of really catching with all the ties Liverpool had

Last year Liverpool was bounced early out of both domestic cups and had less of a demand on the team. Now they are still in the three big ones and have Atletico and Chelsea in the comps
This post was edited on 2/6/20 at 9:23 am
Posted by Tigerfan7218
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 2/6/20 at 9:22 am to
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That would make the most sense if going unbeaten isn’t the priority once y’all get the monkey off your back


Agreed, I'm curious how he'll handle it, because if they had lost this week I think they would have 100% gone for an unbeaten PL title... Now with the FA Cup certainly attainable, I think they'll push pretty hard for a treble.

Honestly as a fan, I'm good with either, but the treble would be nice

(and no I'm not gonna be greedy and say they should do the treble AND invincibles)
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126237 posts
Posted on 2/6/20 at 9:28 am to
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I'm not gonna be greedy and say they should do the treble AND invincibles


Lol baby steps

I also don’t see the EPL being so shitty next year

It’s sad the only team that came close to beating Liverpool was the worst United team in a generation
Posted by jordan21210
Member since Apr 2009
13910 posts
Posted on 2/6/20 at 9:29 am to
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Injuries decimated us last season going into and coming out of the Christmas time frame. Our midfiled and back line were piecemeal at best. When James Milner is getting starts at left back and right back, it's not a good thing.


We are one injury away from Milner starting at LB/RB again.

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The weakest area of depth on our roster is, and has been, CB. Some would argue that Gomez has claimed the unequivocal #2 CB slot, but both Matip and Lovren have played significant minutes next to VVD. All three have had injuries both this season and last.


When everyone is healthy, I think CB and forward are our deepest positions. We have 4 CB’s on the roster.

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Oxlade-Chamberlain was severely injured late last year, Gini missed time, as did Hendo. Liverpool ABSOLUTELY has squad depth, and quality within said depth as well.


Ox being back is a huge help, but we still have Keita and Shaq fighting injuries constantly and there goes MF depth. I think we’re okay for now, but if Robo or TAA go down, that’s gonna make things difficult.
This post was edited on 2/6/20 at 9:30 am
Posted by DByrd2
Fredericksburg, VA
Member since Jun 2008
9465 posts
Posted on 2/6/20 at 12:34 pm to
SCH:

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That’s a depth issue lol

When people get hurt and you can’t fill holes


Unless EVERYONE in a position gets hurt. Then it is what we in the business call "shite luck".

Which is the point I was trying to make.


Posted by DByrd2
Fredericksburg, VA
Member since Jun 2008
9465 posts
Posted on 2/6/20 at 12:39 pm to
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We are one injury away from Milner starting at LB/RB again.


This is true. Completely spaced on this fact.

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When everyone is healthy, I think CB and forward are our deepest positions. We have 4 CB’s on the roster.


In terms of quality depth, you're wrong. In terms of just simply having warm bodies to stand in, you're assuredly correct.

The only non-injury prone CB we have is VVD. The gulf in talent between him and our second option(s) is monumental.

CB is our least-talented position. LB/RB is undoubtedly our most shallow in terms of just having someone available.

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Ox being back is a huge help, but we still have Keita and Shaq fighting injuries constantly and there goes MF depth. I think we’re okay for now, but if Robo or TAA go down, that’s gonna make things difficult.


There aren't many midfields that have the combined amount of talent ours has. Injuries have been an issue long-term, but this year hasn't been NEARLY as bad as last year.

This is where I refer to my post just above and label it as "shite luck".
Posted by jordan21210
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 2/6/20 at 1:01 pm to


In RB/LB depth news, apparently Neco Williams got a call up from Wales, maybe he’s our future depth lol.
Posted by DByrd2
Fredericksburg, VA
Member since Jun 2008
9465 posts
Posted on 2/6/20 at 3:43 pm to
He has a ways to go before the needle moves on him, from my perspective.

He has upside, though, for sure.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
38177 posts
Posted on 2/6/20 at 7:19 pm to
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I think you are ignoring how hard it is to go unbeaten and all that pressure with that


The pressure around this point last year was very similar as we had to win out to have a shot.

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Once City over took Liverpool last year it was all over and no chance of really catching with all the ties Liverpool had


It came down to one flukish Komany goal in the 37th game, so this point is downright silly.

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Last year Liverpool was bounced early out of both domestic cups and had less of a demand on the team. Now they are still in the three big ones and have Atletico and Chelsea in the comps



We had Bayern instead of Atletico last year, so thats a wash at worst.

It remains to be seen how much of a priority Klopp places on the next FA round. So far he has played kids, which doesnt add much of a demand to the main squad.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
51672 posts
Posted on 2/6/20 at 7:31 pm to
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In reality the most important thing is being consistently in the top four and playing in the Champions League.”
this is how I feel. Do that and trophies will take care of themselves
Posted by jordan21210
Member since Apr 2009
13910 posts
Posted on 2/6/20 at 11:05 pm to
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So far he has played kids, which doesnt add much of a demand to the main squad.


Not a chance he fields a team of U23’s vs Chelsea.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
38177 posts
Posted on 2/7/20 at 12:38 am to
Folks never would have thought he would treat the 3rd and 4th rounds like he did. Whats so different about the 5th round?

This post was edited on 2/7/20 at 12:43 am
Posted by jordan21210
Member since Apr 2009
13910 posts
Posted on 2/7/20 at 10:32 am to
It’s the 5th round and it’s against Chelsea.
Posted by I Bleed Garnet
Cullman, AL
Member since Jul 2011
54846 posts
Posted on 2/7/20 at 10:53 am to
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It’s the 5th round and it’s against Chelsea.

He'll still do the same thing
Posted by McCaigBro69
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Member since Oct 2014
45179 posts
Posted on 2/7/20 at 12:20 pm to
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We are one injury away from Milner starting at LB/RB again.


City had a record breaking season in the PL without a left back and freaking Fabian Delph starting almost every match

Last year City won it again without De Bruyne for 90% of the year, but midfield is probably where we are the most deep.

Fast forward to this year and Laporte goes down for half the year and it pretty much flushed the league down the toilet. It’s all about who gets hurt.
Posted by McCaigBro69
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Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 2/7/20 at 12:23 pm to
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In 2019 we did not have the CWC to deal with


It’s two freaking matches.
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