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re: NASL, NPSL teams file with CAS to introduce pro/rel in U.S. soccer
Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:19 am to pvilleguru
Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:19 am to pvilleguru
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they need to focus on getting US Soccer to change the qualifications for that. I will agree that the qualifications needed to be labeled D1 are bullshite.
USSF and MLS are in cahoots
Garber and Gulati are both Kraft Sports guys and work together to protect MLS' monopoly.
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I do not agree that they need to force MLS to be an open system.
If MLS wants to operate as a closed league out on its own then thats their decision. They should be able to do that without a D1 sanction and in competition with a separate, open pyramid.
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Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:21 am to pvilleguru
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But there is nothing stopping NASL from having pro/rel right now.
A pro/rel system between AAA and AA doesn't make a lot of sense. You're still a "minor league" in the eyes of fans and investors.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:21 am to Draconian Sanctions
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now take away the D1 sanction and allow leagues to compete on an even playing field and lets see what happens
outside investors into minor league clubs to take on the MLS sides.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:21 am to Draconian Sanctions
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They should be able to do that without a D1 sanction and in competition with a separate, open pyramid.
I agree that they can do it in competition with an open system, but there's no reason why they can't be D1 as well.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:22 am to pvilleguru
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But there is nothing stopping NASL from having pro/rel right now.
I think that is the direction USL is actually trying to go. Having a pro/rel system in place for USL and USL 2, and then maybe one day lower divisions. I think that is the step in getting it implemented into MLS one day. I still don't see how you make that work with teams from south Florida having to play a team from Washington on a Div 2/3 budget. This isn't England where you can fit the entire country into the state of Mississippi.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:23 am to pvilleguru
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they need to focus on getting US Soccer to change the qualifications for that
USSF is a money grubbing organization
Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:23 am to Draconian Sanctions
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A pro/rel system between AAA and AA doesn't make a lot of sense. You're still a "minor league" in the eyes of fans and investors
If you put a better product on the field than MLS teams, then fans won't care if you are technically D1 or D2.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:24 am to pvilleguru
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but there's no reason why they can't be D1 as well.
there is literally no (legitimate) reason to have a D1 sanction for a closed league
This post was edited on 8/3/17 at 9:24 am
Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:24 am to pvilleguru
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If you put a better product on the field than MLS teams, then fans won't care if you are technically D1 or D2.
Kind of hard to do when MLS has all the protected advantages.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:25 am to pvilleguru
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If you put a better product on the field than MLS teams, then fans won't care if you are technically D1 or D2.
thats true only for hard core soccer fans who understand the landscape.
the average fan sees it as "minor league" like in other sports and treat it accordingly. The same is true for many potential investors.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:26 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:Seems to be working for MLS and USL. They are working pretty well together.
there is literally no (legitimate) reason to have a D1 sanction for a closed league
Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:28 am to pvilleguru
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Seems to be working for MLS and USL. They are working pretty well together.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:29 am to pvilleguru
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Seems to be working for MLS and USL. They are working pretty well together.
wow
Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:33 am to Tigerfan7218
Serious question: how does pro/rel make soccer in the US better?
Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:40 am to Vicks Kennel Club
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how does pro/rel make soccer in the US better?
it forces clubs to keep moving forward because in a pro/rel system if you aren't getting better you're getting worse and you're risking your status. Steel sharpens steel in this environment, making our clubs more competitive in the CONCACAF Champions League and also because teams have to keep moving forward they will have incentive to improve their youth setups and player development which will help the USMNT
Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:43 am to Draconian Sanctions
Draconian, what would be your timeline be for instituting pro/rel? If you were the powers that be, how would you do it?
Because I see the argument, and I don't necessarily disagree. But I cannot see the feasibility. I haven't seen a solution that would involve the current MLS owners and potential franchisees being at OK with having wasted $200m. I have yet to see anything that addresses this.
Please enlighten me on this. Honestly I am open to any possibility of pro/rel that doesn't blow up the current infrastructure and set back professional soccer in the US by at least 10 years. Because that's the picture I have in my mind. Convince me otherwise.
Because I see the argument, and I don't necessarily disagree. But I cannot see the feasibility. I haven't seen a solution that would involve the current MLS owners and potential franchisees being at OK with having wasted $200m. I have yet to see anything that addresses this.
Please enlighten me on this. Honestly I am open to any possibility of pro/rel that doesn't blow up the current infrastructure and set back professional soccer in the US by at least 10 years. Because that's the picture I have in my mind. Convince me otherwise.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:43 am to Draconian Sanctions
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it forces clubs to keep moving forward because in a pro/rel system if you aren't getting better you're getting worse and you're risking your status. Steel sharpens steel in this environment, making our clubs more competitive in the CONCACAF Champions League and also because teams have to keep moving forward they will have incentive to improve their youth setups and player development which will help the USMNT
Nah man the franchise system when you have no incentive to improve and get a higher draft pick is so much better.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:54 am to Meursault
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Draconian, what would be your timeline be for instituting pro/rel? If you were the powers that be, how would you do it?
#1 I would say okay we're going to have pro/rel in 5 years. This would give MLS and everybody a timeline to work towards as I dont think it would be fair to just drop it on everyone overnight. If MLS or any other league doesn't want to participate they don't have to, but they will be operating as an unsanctioned league.
We'll just say for our purposes that MLS, NASL, USL, and NPSL all agree to be involved and those are your 4 main leagues in our pyramid, in that order.
#2 I would utilize the Mexico style of a 3 year rolling "score" by which clubs are relegated from a league. I understand that the US is still a "young" soccer country in many ways and I'm not interested in punishing a club over one bad season, which may be more due to bad luck than anything else. Using this system relegates only those clubs that are consistently struggling to compete at their division level. You may even have years where nobody is relegated.
For example. Lets say the Colorado Rapids are relegated and the San Francisco Deltas are promoted. San Francisco would not be "eligible" for relegation until 3 full years in MLS. They they finish bottom in the MLS West those first 2 years then nobody would be relegated as the bottom club in that conference isn't eligible for relegation at that point.
#3 It would have to be regionalized. The US being wayyyyyy bigger than other countries makes a pro/rel system that doesnt take geography into account untenanble. From MLS I would relegate 1 club from each conference down to NASL, which would need to have conferences set up as well. Relegation from NASL to USL and USL to NPSL would probably be even more geographic specific. You'd also probably have to start pro rel between USL and NPSL for a year or two before incorporating it with NASL and then another year or two before bringing in MLS.
This post was edited on 8/3/17 at 9:58 am
Posted on 8/3/17 at 10:10 am to StraightCashHomey21
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Nah man the franchise system when you have no incentive to improve and get a higher draft pick is so much better.
Yeah, but nobody really tanks in MLS because SuperDraft picks aren't that valuable.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 10:37 am to WarSlamEagle
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Yeah, but nobody really tanks in MLS because SuperDraft picks aren't that valuable.
sooo even more of a waste with the draft
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