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re: Isco- the EPL has come knocking

Posted on 12/13/12 at 10:22 pm to
Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 12/13/12 at 10:22 pm to
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Not really.



Andy Carrol
Posted by WarSlamEagle
Manchester United Fan
Member since Sep 2011
24611 posts
Posted on 12/13/12 at 10:23 pm to
Carroll.

And could you give more than one example?
Posted by LSUSOBEAST1
Member since Aug 2008
28621 posts
Posted on 12/13/12 at 10:24 pm to
Andy Carroll was horrible business on LFC's end. Says nothing about the value of an English player though. Liverpool fricked themselves by selling Torres on transfer day.
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
51416 posts
Posted on 12/13/12 at 10:26 pm to
No waiter, no Torres, it seems.
Posted by LSUSOBEAST1
Member since Aug 2008
28621 posts
Posted on 12/13/12 at 10:31 pm to
It certainly does seem that way although the rest of the season will be interesting. Rafa hasn't changed a whole lot about the squad beside defensive rigidity and playing Luiz at holding mid. One thing is for sure, Torres has some confidence now and that can be directly attributed to Rafa.
This post was edited on 12/14/12 at 7:25 am
Posted by thenry712
Zasullia, Ukraine
Member since Nov 2008
15795 posts
Posted on 12/13/12 at 10:32 pm to
Selling Torres effectively determined the absurdly inflated Andy Carroll price Newcastle set that day.

English players typically do get inflated a few million more pounds in the transfer market, because there's a semi-true notion of better marketability to the fans. Players like James Milner and Stewart Downing will be worth more to teams with identical production rates to other foreign players, because they likely will sell more shirts. Also, young English players who put up decent numbers at lower tier clubs are considered known Premier League performers, unlike foreign players whose credentials are unfairly scrutinized for playing in "lesser" leagues.

That being said, it looks like a worse buy when these players underperform to their transfer valuations.
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
51416 posts
Posted on 12/13/12 at 10:34 pm to
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defensive rigidity
Rafa´s sides are always solid. I won´t get into the Italian debacle, tomes could be written on the subject, but suffice it to say, he was set up to fail.
Posted by LSUSOBEAST1
Member since Aug 2008
28621 posts
Posted on 12/13/12 at 10:44 pm to
Marketability and a "known" impact on the league are certainly a couple good reasons. There are more though. Media relations (especially when considering the Suarez and Terry cases) and language barrier can't be understated. England also has tons of money and, in many cases, players are exchanged between "rivals." Extra compensation makes sense when you consider the impact the sale will continue to have on the seller beyond strictly money brought in. Theoretically, you are making someone else in the league stronger. That leads to increased revenue for that club, PR, success, etc. Then obviously the homegrown rule, fitting the "style" of the league, nurturing the country's own talent, "loyalty", not getting homesick, and many other things also play a factor.

So all in all, a few extra million pounds makes perfect sense. Hindsight determines whether it is "ridiculous" or not.

Also, the Carroll deal made sense in a lot of ways. Obviously it was bad business though. Not much else can be said.
This post was edited on 12/13/12 at 10:48 pm
Posted by JLock
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 12/14/12 at 7:41 am to
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And could you give more than one example?


Downing, Henderson just for 'Pool
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
51416 posts
Posted on 12/14/12 at 11:07 pm to

he´s only a baby, 19, maybe 20, and has TONS of top flight international experience.

I don´t see him leaving for anything less than €30M, and I´d venture to say he´s a Javi Martínez type acquisition, you can build a squad around him. €30M may be too low.
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
30135 posts
Posted on 12/14/12 at 11:50 pm to
Awesome Isco Highlights
Some of the shite he does is unreal.
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