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re: Hillsborough-Coppers fault
Posted on 9/13/12 at 1:00 pm to LSUCanFAN
Posted on 9/13/12 at 1:00 pm to LSUCanFAN
i watched most of the documentary about it yesterday. so sudden and so tragic. it's crazy how everyone not in the over crowded pens started to notice how bad it was getting, but could do nothing about it.
could you imagine being a player in that match? you'd have absolutely no idea what was going on.
could you imagine being a player in that match? you'd have absolutely no idea what was going on.
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Posted on 9/13/12 at 1:17 pm to The Mick
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Were the police just letting everyone in like that or did the fans more or less overtake any police or gate personnel on staff?
There was a "crush" building up at the main gate so another gate was opened to try and alleviate the initial crush and from what it sounds like nobody really had any plan or control for what to do with those people coming in through the extra gate so they started trying to enter the already overcrowded pens. The people coming in didn't know how bad it was for the people already in and nobody was really doing anything about it. Ultimately, and obviously, it was a combination of many different things that led to the tragedy and actions during, and after it, made it 100000x worse.
What is hard for me to understand, and maybe someone can explain it to me, is how/why people just kept trying to pour into an area that they obviously couldn't fit into? Even if you don't know exactly how bad it is inside the pens at some point don't you say well this isn't working everyone go back? I just don't understand how, even with all the police blunders, it got sooo out of hand.
Posted on 9/13/12 at 1:23 pm to WeOnlyHateMancs
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During the game rival supporters were placed side by side and Juventus fans started throwing stone missiles at the Liverpool fans, the liverpool fans retaliated and surged at the Juventus fans who now started trying to get out.
This. I'm sick of people saying Liverpool were 100% to blame for Heysel. It reeks of naivety. The Juve fans tore chunks of decrepit concrete from the stadium and began throwing them at the Liverpool fans, causing a rush in retaliation (go read the official police report if you don't believe me). Both groups were at fault and both acted like wild animals. The entire event was sickening from both ends of supporters.
Posted on 9/13/12 at 1:24 pm to Tweezy
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could you imagine being a player in that match? you'd have absolutely no idea what was going on.
It's even more awful to imagine the helpless feeling it must have been to be stuck in the crush.
I've been in some big crowds where you basically had no control over when or where you moved and it can be pretty unnerving and it was obviously nowhere near on this scale.
This post was edited on 9/13/12 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 9/13/12 at 1:28 pm to RandySavage
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how/why people just kept trying to pour into an area that they obviously couldn't fit into?
Because the match had already started, they weren't directed to go anywhere else, had tickets to an FA cup semi-final and wanted to see the pitch.
The problem was that nobody was aware what was happening except for the people at the very front of the pens. The match was going on, fans were cheering and people were trying to watch the match.
Posted on 9/13/12 at 1:31 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
I mean I get all that but if it's that bad doesn't it become apparent before all that damage is done? I guess not, but it's just hard for me to understand.
Posted on 9/13/12 at 1:35 pm to RandySavage
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I mean I get all that but if it's that bad doesn't it become apparent before all that damage is done? I guess not, but it's just hard for me to understand.
No. It wasn't apparent and that was the problem. Fans were trying to escape onto the pitch for safety, and the police thought they were rioting and tried to force them back into the stands. None of it was apparent.
Posted on 9/13/12 at 2:23 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
This is the fricking bullshite that is a result of waiting almost 25 years for the truth to come out. So heartbreaking.
LINK
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A football fan killed himself because he never got over the guilt he felt from selling a ticket to a friend who then died in the Hillsborough tragedy. An inquest at Bolton Coroner’s Court heard that Stephen Whittle, 50, had suffered from anxiety and depression ever since his friend died at the match between Liverpool and Nottingham Forest, at Sheffield Wednesday's Hillsborough stadium on April 15, 1989. The tragedy claimed the lives of 96 Liverpool fans. The inquest heard Mr Whittle jumped in front of a train in Atherton, near Bolton on February 26 this year.
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Posted on 9/13/12 at 3:01 pm to RandySavage
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I mean I get all that but if it's that bad doesn't it become apparent before all that damage is done? I guess not, but it's just hard for me to understand.
I know man. I can't understand either. David Cameron, and the HIP, and the rest of the British parliament, and British media must be lying. It had to have been the Liverpool fans fault. The S#n was right. Even though the Prime Minister of Great Britain accepts on live TV that the Liverpool fans weren't excessively drunk, or purposefully late, or violent and that the cops fricked it up, and then covered it up, it must be the Liverpool fans fault some way.
Why can't all these dumb people see what's so apparent. This could have been avoided by the fans and they did it to themselves. The Lord Justice Taylor committee report must also have been clearly falsified. Thanks for your very intelligent insight Randy. That's enough insight for one topic please leave the rest of your insight for another thread.
On another note I have nary seen a nick match someone's posts. On a matter as sensitive as this your snarky jabs are savage to say the least RandySavage.
This post was edited on 9/13/12 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 9/13/12 at 3:26 pm to WeOnlyHateMancs
WTF are you talking about? Seriously dude, we've already been over this. I'm not blaming any one person or group of people. It takes a mutlitude of F ups for something like this to happen. You have serious reading comprehension and/or intelligence issues. It's not slamming all Liverpool fans to not be able to comprehend how a situation can get so out of control.
This post was edited on 9/13/12 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 9/13/12 at 3:29 pm to RandySavage
quote:Randy really this is your problem...We can't transport you back in time to when Britain's stadiums weren't all-seaters, when going to a match really was a risky proposition from a supporter's POV. I think though people here have expressed their disappointment with your comments on the subject and the old adage; "better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than open it and remove all doubt" is especially fitting here. This subject is a dark chapter in a club's history
guess not, but it's just hard for me to understand.
i wish you would have waded in carefully rather than steam in like an authority. Unlike a few people here i don't want you to discourage you from posting. I just want you to tread carefully when it comes to topics like this. My great uncles in Glasgow missed stairway 13 by a few minutes and i tell you now i wouldn't be nearly as civil as some of these 'Pool supporters with you if we were discussing the Ibrox Disaster.
Posted on 9/13/12 at 3:44 pm to LSUCanFAN
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@EvertonFans_@sylvaind15tin Our idea is the Park End holding up cards spelling out JUSTICE before the Newcastle game.Please help and RT @Everton
Gotta say I've been incredibly impressed with the Everton fans the last couple of days. It's the kind of thing that just makes you feel really great about soccer.
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BleedPurpleGold
That really is heartbreaking. It beggars belief that it took so long for the truth to be revealed, especially given all of the support the JFT96 campaign has had over the years.
Posted on 9/13/12 at 3:46 pm to LSUCanFAN
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Unlike a few people here i don't want you to discourage you from posting.
Just to be clear, Randy's disappearance would mean Christmas came early for me.
Posted on 9/13/12 at 3:51 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
I know and i am not saying you are wrong, just that i hope he has learned from this... 
Posted on 9/13/12 at 4:24 pm to BobLoblaw
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Gotta say I've been incredibly impressed with the Everton fans the last couple of days. It's the kind of thing that just makes you feel really great about soccer.
In Liverpool families have fans on both blue and red sides. So I for one expected such reactions from the toffees. They mourned friends and family. It is really heartwarming. I think MCFC and the Baggies are also planning JFT and Hillsborough placards etc.
I have decided not to try to explain things to the Savage anymore. I accept I am dyslexic please move on. I share LSUSOBEAST1's point of view.
This post was edited on 9/13/12 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 9/13/12 at 4:40 pm to WeOnlyHateMancs
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I have decided not to try to explain things to the Savage anymore. I accept I am dyslexic please move on. I share LSUSOBEAST1's point of view.
Gave it up a while ago. It's not worth the time it takes to refute his almost always under-informed or misinformed opinions. We've told him countless times if you don't know what you're talking about then don't post about something, especially if its just to disagree with another poster.
Now I think he's taken up enough space on what is otherwise a very good and important thread so I say we just agree to ignore him.
Posted on 9/13/12 at 6:29 pm to WeOnlyHateMancs
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I think MCFC and the Baggies are also planning JFT and Hillsborough placards etc.
I've heard Arsenal are doing something also.
Posted on 9/13/12 at 6:38 pm to BleedPurpleGold
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I've heard Arsenal are doing something also.
Bromance. I hope we do.
Posted on 9/13/12 at 6:43 pm to glassman
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Bromance
Hiring BR is just one step closer to the inevitable merging of the two clubs. Now we play the same type of football, scout/sell/buy players the same way, and are obsessed with baby players.
Here's to the inevitable Arsepool United FC.
Posted on 9/13/12 at 6:45 pm to BleedPurpleGold
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Here's to the inevitable Arsepool United FC.
Dare I say domination?
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