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Better Brazil Team: 2009 or 2012?

Posted on 5/31/12 at 8:53 am
Posted by NOTORlOUSD
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2010
5051 posts
Posted on 5/31/12 at 8:53 am
How do you guys think the current Brazil team compares to the one that beat us in the 2009 Confederations Cup? IMO, the 2009 team was clearly more experienced and possibly more talented, but this one has much better chemistry. Here is the lineup from the Confederations Cup final:

Posted by Sheep
Neither here nor there
Member since Jun 2007
19699 posts
Posted on 5/31/12 at 8:56 am to
The Brazil team that played last night is not the "current" Brazil team. It's just their Olympic (U-23) team, with 4 players over 23.
Posted by j1897
Member since Nov 2011
4984 posts
Posted on 5/31/12 at 8:57 am to
quote:

The Brazil team that played last night is not the "current" Brazil team. It's just their Olympic (U-23) team, with 4 players over 23.



Exactly
Posted by Tennessee Jed
Mr. SEC Rant
Member since Nov 2009
17909 posts
Posted on 5/31/12 at 9:03 am to
The team we played last night will be very similiar to their 2014 roster, and they're insanely talented.

This up and comming Brazilian group is the best they've had in over a decade.

Also consider that Alves, Luiz, and Ganso are all part of this Brazlian group. They're just carrying injuries.
This post was edited on 5/31/12 at 9:11 am
Posted by NOTORlOUSD
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2010
5051 posts
Posted on 5/31/12 at 9:17 am to
I count five players over - Jefferson, Hulk, Luiz, Thiago Silva, and Marcelo. Regardless, I feel like they are doing a complete reboot after last year's Copa America embarrassment. They will probably plug in a couple more veteran players (Julio Cesar, Ramires, etc) for their WCQs, but otherwise I think this is it.
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
9763 posts
Posted on 5/31/12 at 9:55 am to
quote:

The team we played last night will be very similiar to their 2014 roster, and they're insanely talented.



I agree. To say it's simply the Olympic U-23 team, while true, is a bit misleading. Their household name stars like Lucio, Maicon, Kaka, Ronaldinho, Robinho etc are in decline and this group minus a couple of players is their present as well as future and not really a group that will end up getting deeply culled like most U-23 rosters.

A perfect example is that the GK was probably the most noteworthy beginner they fielded and we saw how that worked out for them.

What was possible against this team was to take advantage of their youth in the backline without a veteran like Lucio being paired with Thiago Silva when they were throwing everyone forward in the first half and daring us to break their press.

I think there's a bit of blame to go around for that. As many have pointed out, Edu wasn't going to do much getting the ball right in front of the 18 pressured by 2 defenders with the responsibility to pick out an incisive forward pass or wriggle out into open. JK's tactics early on in this regard may be partly to blame but I ca certainly see he felt he needed Edu's defense in that spot as well.

But, really, all that's kind of nitpicking as Brazil is a lot better than we are and there's no real shame in losing to them. In many ways I thought we had long stretches where we looked a lot less "overwhelmed" than we did against Italy and France even though we snuck away with a win and 1-0 defeat in those matches.

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