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re: Best midfielder in EPL this season?
Posted on 5/3/12 at 6:39 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
Posted on 5/3/12 at 6:39 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
quote:
Total assists
Arteta - 2
Yaya - 5
Goals
Arteta - 7
Yaya - 7
These two might be skewed by how few games Arteta played for Arsenal though eh?
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Posted on 5/3/12 at 6:42 pm to Jumbeauxlaya
quote:
And I'm not sure if this is correct but Goal.com shows Silva out right
I'm pretty sure he has spent most of the season on the right. He's certainly capable of playing in the center though.
Posted on 5/3/12 at 6:43 pm to Jumbeauxlaya
quote:
These two might be skewed by how few games Arteta played for Arsenal though eh?
Nope. Yaya has played 1 more total game than Arteta.
ETA Don't forget Yaya was gone for the Africa Cup of Nations for, what, a month?
This post was edited on 5/3/12 at 6:46 pm
Posted on 5/3/12 at 6:48 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
When you consider the positions they play I don't think stats like goals and assists are really enough to determine who is the best midfielder. Keep in mind the guys playing deeper are often pulling the strings and making the pass before the pass. I would love if they measured hockey assists in soccer, such an underutilized statistic.
Posted on 5/3/12 at 6:53 pm to BobLoblaw
quote:
When you consider the positions they play I don't think stats like goals and assists are really enough to determine who is the best midfielder.
Certainly not. I quoted passing percentage, passes per game, key passes per game and then went to assists and goals. I already said earlier in the thread a breakdown of which mids I would want at the different positions. Arteta and Yaya have pretty similar roles. Yaya does like to push forward just a little bit more though, while Arteta is more similar to Xabi Alonso. Still, both seem to be the heartbeat of their respective clubs.
This post was edited on 5/3/12 at 6:55 pm
Posted on 5/3/12 at 7:03 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
My mistake, I didn't see the end of the last page I just saw the goal and assist quotes up top.
I did a little bit of research over at WhoScored.com. I added stats for Song and Joe Allen, EPL stats only.
Average passes per game
Arteta - 71.2
Yaya - 76.4
Song - 66.4
Allen - 60.5
Pass completion %
Arteta - 88.9%
Yaya - 89.8%
Song - 84.6%
Allen - 91%
Key passes per game
Arteta - 1.4
Yaya - 1.5
Song - 1.3
Allen - 1.2
Total assists
Arteta - 2
Yaya - 5
Song - 9
Allen - 2
Goals
Arteta - 7
Yaya - 7
Song - 1
Allen - 4
Also, keep in mind Joe Allen is playing in a much weaker team and is surrounded by inferior players. He's also playing his first season in the EPL and is much younger than the other two. Song often plays a much deeper role in the midfield, especially now that Arteta is out.
I did a little bit of research over at WhoScored.com. I added stats for Song and Joe Allen, EPL stats only.
Average passes per game
Arteta - 71.2
Yaya - 76.4
Song - 66.4
Allen - 60.5
Pass completion %
Arteta - 88.9%
Yaya - 89.8%
Song - 84.6%
Allen - 91%
Key passes per game
Arteta - 1.4
Yaya - 1.5
Song - 1.3
Allen - 1.2
Total assists
Arteta - 2
Yaya - 5
Song - 9
Allen - 2
Goals
Arteta - 7
Yaya - 7
Song - 1
Allen - 4
Also, keep in mind Joe Allen is playing in a much weaker team and is surrounded by inferior players. He's also playing his first season in the EPL and is much younger than the other two. Song often plays a much deeper role in the midfield, especially now that Arteta is out.
Posted on 5/3/12 at 7:06 pm to BobLoblaw
what happened to Kolo? wasn't he at citeh too?
/hijack
/hijack
Posted on 5/3/12 at 7:10 pm to Dandy Lion
quote:
what happened to Kolo? wasn't he at citeh too?
Still is. He missed most of the season through his year long suspension for "taking his wife's diet pills"
Posted on 5/3/12 at 7:14 pm to BobLoblaw
Okay I'll throw Modric into the mix and then compare them all to Xavi:
quote:
Average passes per game
Arteta - 71.2
Yaya - 76.4
Song - 66.4
Allen - 60.5
Modric - 70.5
Xavi - 108.9
Pass completion %
Arteta - 90.7%
Yaya - 89.8%
Song - 84.6%
Allen - 91%
Modric - 87.6
Xavi - 93.3
Key passes per game
Arteta - 1.15
Yaya - 1.5
Song - 1.3
Allen - 1.2
Modric - 2.6
Xavi - 2.1
Total assists
Arteta - 2
Yaya - 5
Song - 9
Allen - 2
Modric - 4
Xavi - 7
Goals
Arteta - 7
Yaya - 7
Song - 1
Allen - 4
Modric - 4
Xavi - 14
This post was edited on 5/3/12 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 5/3/12 at 7:16 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
Good stuff. I think just looking at that you'd have to say that they were all relatively even this year. Comparison to Xavi is interesting but I think you have to take any comparison across leagues with a real grain of salt.
Posted on 5/3/12 at 7:20 pm to Dandy Lion
quote:
what happened to Kolo? wasn't he at citeh too?
He is although I imagine he will be sold in the summer. Number 7 in the league in wages at 31 years old, and City's defense has improved without him. Great sell by Arsenal. Bought for 150,000 pounds and then sold for 16M. Decent investment
Posted on 5/3/12 at 7:25 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
Take whoscored combined totals with a grain of salt. They don't do it in a mathematically correct fashion. Ex. their pass completion percentage for Arteta is simply an average of his pass completion % for Premier League with Arsenal (90.8%, 29 games), CL (90.6%, 6 games), and PL games with Everton (85.3%, 1 start/1 sub) which is not the actual percentage of passes he completed this year.
This post was edited on 5/3/12 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 5/3/12 at 7:29 pm to Friend of OBUDan
We should probably just use Arteta's stats with Arsenal anyways. After all, playing in a different team and system would have a dramatic effect on a lot of the passing stats anyways.
Posted on 5/3/12 at 7:31 pm to Friend of OBUDan
quote:
Take whoscored combined totals with a grain of salt. They don't do it in a mathematically correct fashion. Ex. their pass completion percentage for Arteta is simply an average of his pass completion % for Premier League with Arsenal (90.8%, 29 games), CL (90.6%, 6 games), and PL games with Everton (85.3%, 1 start/1 sub) which is not the actual percentage of passes he completed this year.
I only used whoscored because you did. In fact, I took Arteta's Everton stats out of a couple of the stats (don't remember which ones though
)Posted on 5/3/12 at 7:36 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
quote:
Average passes per game
Arteta - 71.2
Yaya - 76.4
Song - 66.4
Allen - 60.5
Modric - 70.5
Xavi - 108.9
Pass completion %
Arteta - 90.7%
Yaya - 89.8%
Song - 84.6%
Allen - 91%
Modric - 87.6
Xavi - 93.3
Key passes per game
Arteta - 1.15
Yaya - 1.5
Song - 1.3
Allen - 1.2
Modric - 2.6
Xavi - 2.1
Total assists
Arteta - 2
Yaya - 5
Song - 9
Allen - 2
Modric - 4
Xavi - 7
Goals
Arteta - 7
Yaya - 7
Song - 1
Allen - 4
Modric - 4
Xavi - 14
Updated excluding Arteta's Everton stats (his CL stats hurt him a little)
Posted on 5/3/12 at 7:36 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
Well their stats otherwise are fine but for some reason they messed up there.Posted on 5/3/12 at 7:37 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
kay I'll throw Modric into the mix and then compare them all to Xavi:
quote:
Average passes per game
Arteta - 71.2
Yaya - 76.4
Song - 66.4
Allen - 60.5
Modric - 70.5
Xavi - 108.9
Pass completion %
Arteta - 90.7%
Yaya - 89.8%
Song - 84.6%
Allen - 91%
Modric - 87.6
Xavi - 93.3
Key passes per game
Arteta - 1.15
Yaya - 1.5
Song - 1.3
Allen - 1.2
Modric - 2.6
Xavi - 2.1
Total assists
Arteta - 2
Yaya - 5
Song - 9
Allen - 2
Modric - 4
Xavi - 7
Goals
Arteta - 7
Yaya - 7
Song - 1
Allen - 4
Modric - 4
Xavi - 14
Good thing you didn't put in Lampard to expose all these mediocre players for the posers that they are (oh that douche Xavi, he's a media darling).
quote:
Average passes per game
Arteta - 71.2
Yaya - 76.4
Song - 66.4
Allen - 60.5
Modric - 70.5
Xavi - 108.9
Pass completion %
Arteta - 90.7%
Yaya - 89.8%
Song - 84.6%
Allen - 91%
Modric - 87.6
Xavi - 93.3
Key passes per game
Arteta - 1.15
Yaya - 1.5
Song - 1.3
Allen - 1.2
Modric - 2.6
Xavi - 2.1
Total assists
Arteta - 2
Yaya - 5
Song - 9
Allen - 2
Modric - 4
Xavi - 7
Goals
Arteta - 7
Yaya - 7
Song - 1
Allen - 4
Modric - 4
Xavi - 14
Good thing you didn't put in Lampard to expose all these mediocre players for the posers that they are (oh that douche Xavi, he's a media darling).
This post was edited on 5/3/12 at 7:38 pm
Posted on 5/3/12 at 7:37 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
quote:
Updated excluding Arteta's Everton stats (his CL stats hurt him a little)
. I removed Songs champions league stats and only used EPL stats for comparison's sake. Probably should have been more clear earlier.Posted on 5/3/12 at 7:40 pm to Friend of OBUDan
quote:
whoscored
I use this site to begin with because I follow one of the guy's who works there on twitter. He's an Aston Villa fan and he does all the stats for our primary paper the Birmingham Mail. He does stats for all of the EPL and sometimes Europe though, always has some interesting stuff on his twitter.
Who Scored is one of the better more detailed stat databases around though.
Posted on 5/3/12 at 7:42 pm to Dandy Lion
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Good thing you didn't put in Lampard to expose all these mediocre players for the posers that they are (oh that douche Xavi, he's a media darling).
Neither me, nor anyone else in this thread, has even mentioned Lampard's name (I don't think). And I have always praised Xavi for the player he is.
With that said, you do have to give Fat Frank a decent amount of respect for his success in the PL. Best scoring mid in PL history and second in all-time assists in PL history. Take that as you will.
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