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re: Barcelona Sign Their First American
Posted on 6/9/11 at 7:39 pm to LfcSU3520
Posted on 6/9/11 at 7:39 pm to LfcSU3520
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Which of course goes back to my ORIGINAL point, which wasn't fire Bradley cuz he's dumb and we lose. It's just that in order to keep going forward imo, we need someone who can overhaul the whole system and possibly give us an identity.
For some reason you keep ignoring the crux of my point and defending Bradley.
And my point is that's not his job.
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Posted on 6/9/11 at 7:46 pm to Sheep
Just out of curiosity, what progress do you think is going to be made under Bradley? I'm certainly not saying you're wrong, but I'm just wondering what do you expect as far as progress from this cycle?
This post was edited on 6/9/11 at 7:47 pm
Posted on 6/9/11 at 7:58 pm to Sheep
If you hire a Bielsa or a Hiddink or Lowe as HH suggested, then it would be their job.
It might not be Bob's, but it would be theirs. And my contention is that's what we truly need.
It might not be Bob's, but it would be theirs. And my contention is that's what we truly need.
Posted on 6/9/11 at 8:34 pm to ohiovol
If he doesn't achieve what he did in the last cycle, plus quarters of the WC AND win in Azteca, I'd support his being replaced.
The level of talent isn't there to DEMAND more than incremental progress.
The level of talent isn't there to DEMAND more than incremental progress.
Posted on 6/9/11 at 8:56 pm to Sheep
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If he doesn't achieve what he did in the last cycle, plus quarters of the WC AND win in Azteca, I'd support his being replaced.
Are you saying you expect a similar run in the Confederations Cup, or would you just be happy being there? Just trying to clarify.
Those standards seem pretty reasonable, although I'm not necessarily demanding a win at the Azteca. It would be nice, but to me, it would be more of something to enjoy when it comes than something to demand.
I think Bob has done well. I'm usually in favor of replacing coaches after each world cup because I think it's good to have a new coach get off to a new start. It seems that it has been too often that an existing coach fails to recapture previous success. The main thing I would be concerned about is loyalty to older players. Bob may well prove me wrong, but it's something I've been a little concerned about.
Posted on 6/9/11 at 9:09 pm to Sheep
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The level of talent isn't there to DEMAND more than incremental progress.
I refuse to believe this. Not in like the next year or three, but it's there and not being developed properly. It's kinda strange to me that our best US developed players (Adu, Altidore, Donovan...etc) have really struggled to gain any sort of a foothold or reputation overseas.
Now I understand that there could be a lot of factors to this, including incomplete sample sizes and there being some success stories, but it's still curious to me.
I've been thinking about Giuseppe Rossi lately and it's really made me wonder. What would he be, had he never gone to Italy and remained in the US?
I find it very strange that he leaves the country at 12, and now he's on the cusp of international superstardom.
Posted on 6/9/11 at 9:36 pm to LfcSU3520
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I've been thinking about Giuseppe Rossi lately and it's really made me wonder. What would he be, had he never gone to Italy and remained in the US?
I find it very strange that he leaves the country at 12, and now he's on the cusp of international superstardom.
Interesting point.
I think at this point it's relevant to compare ourselves to nations that started taking soccer seriously at the same time, namely South Korea, Japan, and Australia. I feel that South Korea and Japan have done a better job of developing technical players than we have in the same amount of time. I feel like we've done a better job of developing a national league than Australia, though they have the star players that we've really lacked. Japan and South Korea are about to explode in terms of talent, because they developed their youth system the right way. Australia and the U.S. for the most part haven't.
Posted on 6/9/11 at 11:17 pm to Stewie Griffin
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Just leave, dude. You're officially done. You're making me want to defend Bob, and I'm not even really a fan of him.
I accept the apology but I swear I wasn't bullshitting you about Bradley getting his athleticism from his mom. They talk about it in "Chasing the Game," which is a great read, by the way.
Posted on 6/10/11 at 7:57 am to ohiovol
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Are you saying you expect a similar run in the Confederations Cup, or would you just be happy being there? Just trying to clarify.
I think his benchmarks were to:
A. Get there (win GC2007).
B. Advance past the group.
B. Win a knockout game.
As small of a tournament as Confed Cup is, that puts you in the third place game. I think he should have the same benchmarks in place.
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Those standards seem pretty reasonable, although I'm not necessarily demanding a win at the Azteca. It would be nice, but to me, it would be more of something to enjoy when it comes than something to demand.
I disagree. I think we need to become THE dominant team in our region. Right now, it leans that way, but there are days that Mexico is better. We need to dominate the region (and we can, and probably will, in time), and we can only do that by showing that we can beat Mexico anywhere.
Posted on 6/10/11 at 8:08 am to LfcSU3520
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I refuse to believe this. Not in like the next year or three, but it's there and not being developed properly. It's kinda strange to me that our best US developed players (Adu, Altidore, Donovan...etc) have really struggled to gain any sort of a foothold or reputation overseas.
Look at it objectively. How many US players could play for any team in the world? MAYBE Howard. (But is he better than Cech, Van Der Sar, Iker.... not really... he's about as good.) MAYBE Donovan, MAYBE Dempsey, but past that you're looking at mid-table European quality players (at best).
Somebody played the "LOL Slovenia and Algeria" card in this thread, but looking at it, there players generally play at the same level of club that our players play it. We've made strides in the last ten years regarding the level of club play for our players, and those skills are reflected on the field.
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I've been thinking about Giuseppe Rossi lately and it's really made me wonder. What would he be, had he never gone to Italy and remained in the US?
And his skills were refined by Parma, not by the Italian U-Whatever teams. The youth programs at the CLUB level is where the majority of the foreign players refine their skill, not with youth national programs.
And in the US, club academies are in their infancies. And that has little to do with the national team manager.
Does youth development need to be revamped in this country? Absolutely.
Do I want the guy who's responsible for scouting our current players, and preparing for qualifiers and tournaments expending time and effort on the U-15 program? Absolutely not.
Posted on 6/10/11 at 8:46 am to cwil177
I'll buy it. I was being a huge a-hole yesterday, probably bc my fishing trip got canceled.
Posted on 6/10/11 at 8:51 am to cwil177
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I accept the apology but I swear I wasn't bullshitting you about Bradley getting his athleticism from his mom.
Since this is Bob's brother:
And Bob was a promising player until injuries jacked him up, I'd say the athleticism probably comes from both sides.
Posted on 6/10/11 at 10:45 am to Sheep
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We need to dominate the region (and we can, and probably will, in time), and we can only do that by showing that we can beat Mexico anywhere.
I don't think there will EVER be a time when we win more than 50% of the games played in that nasty, smoggy valley air and crazy atmosphere... As we've seen, it's not an easy task for any team, not just the US squad.
Posted on 6/10/11 at 10:57 am to Sheep
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I think his benchmarks were to:
A. Get there (win GC2007).
B. Advance past the group.
B. Win a knockout game.
As small of a tournament as Confed Cup is, that puts you in the third place game. I think he should have the same benchmarks in place.
Confederations cup only has 8 teams, so that would actually put us in the final. Normally, I would think our semi final opponent will be very good, so a win would be great, but I'm not sure it should be expected.
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I disagree. I think we need to become THE dominant team in our region. Right now, it leans that way, but there are days that Mexico is better. We need to dominate the region (and we can, and probably will, in time), and we can only do that by showing that we can beat Mexico anywhere.
Okay, that sounds reasonable. The only problem I have with demanding it is I don't think we'll get a lot of opportunities for it.
Posted on 6/10/11 at 11:00 am to ohiovol
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Confederations cup only has 8 teams, so that would actually put us in the final. Normally, I would think our semi final opponent will be very good, so a win would be great, but I'm not sure it should be expected.
You're right, brain fart.
So, to clarify it's knockout round, and win one of the two games (either play in the final, or win the third place game.)
Posted on 8/20/11 at 4:52 pm to hendersonshands
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So, you think Klose will start in Euro 2012 games over Gomez?
If he's healthy, yes.
Henderson - What happened?
Posted on 8/20/11 at 5:14 pm to ChemE in the OP
He got banned. That's what.
Posted on 8/20/11 at 5:32 pm to cwil177
Alrighty then - I was just pulling this up for fun since Gomez has taken over.
Posted on 8/20/11 at 5:44 pm to ChemE in the OP
Haha so much for that.
Posted on 8/23/11 at 9:36 am to cwil177
Bump - I saw HendersonsHands made some posts recently.
Gomez is definitely Germany's starting striker in Euro 2012...
Gomez is definitely Germany's starting striker in Euro 2012...
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