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re: Barcelona Sign Their First American
Posted on 6/9/11 at 3:07 pm to Stewie Griffin
Posted on 6/9/11 at 3:07 pm to Stewie Griffin
yeah but that's generally what I would want to see whenever we were in a lone striker situation.
Even with Holden back we may not really play 4-2-3-1, although some of this is semantics. It may always be more of a 4-5-1/4-3-3 with Jones playing deep and Holden and Bradley with more license to get forward. But not being out and out attacking midfielders.
Even with Holden back we may not really play 4-2-3-1, although some of this is semantics. It may always be more of a 4-5-1/4-3-3 with Jones playing deep and Holden and Bradley with more license to get forward. But not being out and out attacking midfielders.
This post was edited on 6/9/11 at 3:08 pm
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Posted on 6/9/11 at 3:09 pm to Crede15
Yeah, Holden's better box to box. I'd think we'd see 4-1-4-1, Jones sits deeper, or 4-3-2-1. They're all very similar, just variations of 4-5-1.
Posted on 6/9/11 at 3:13 pm to Stewie Griffin
I don't like the 4-1-4-1. The 4-2-3-1 is ideal. Watch a German game from the World Cup. Bradley can play the Khedira role, Khedira made runs up the field very frequently and often ended up in the box.
Posted on 6/9/11 at 3:13 pm to TouchdownTN
quote:
Ideally I'd like to see
-----------Adu---------------
Adu---------John O'Brien-----------Adu
----------Adu----Adu-------
Adu---Adu------Adu-------Adu
-----------Tim Howard-----------
FTFY
Posted on 6/9/11 at 3:14 pm to Sheep
I could roll with that
Posted on 6/9/11 at 3:14 pm to TouchdownTN
salgado
renken gyau
lletget gil lederman
renken gyau
lletget gil lederman
Posted on 6/9/11 at 3:15 pm to joey barton
quote:
lederman
Bob should have put him on the 23 man roster for Evaluation purposes
Posted on 6/9/11 at 3:21 pm to TouchdownTN
CAP HIM NOW, BOB
P.S. DMB AT LEFT-BACK
P.S. DMB AT LEFT-BACK
Posted on 6/9/11 at 3:22 pm to joey barton
Lederman probably has better touch than Robbie Rogers and Robbie Findley
Posted on 6/9/11 at 3:23 pm to hendersonshands
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Lederman definitely has better touch than Robbie Rogers and Robbie Findley
Posted on 6/9/11 at 3:24 pm to hendersonshands
he certainly would not have gotten hit in the back of the head by the ball
Posted on 6/9/11 at 3:25 pm to joey barton
My favorite was when the ball miraculously fell to his feet in the box, and he took the most panicked shot attempt I've ever seen.
You suck, Robbie.
You suck, Robbie.
Posted on 6/9/11 at 3:36 pm to Stewie Griffin
Q: Has Robbie Rogers ever made a pass inside the box?
A: No
A: No
Posted on 6/9/11 at 6:11 pm to Sheep
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Except for finishing first outright in WC qualifying for the first time, competing in a FIFA final for the first time, and winning our World Cup group for the first time.
But other than those inconsequential things, you're right. No progress
I think you've misinterpreted my point. Our team now is progressing ok I guess.
As was covered later by someone else a few posts down, all of those things have points that can be argued against but whatever. Another point that wasn't brought up though, was how good Mex got late on in WC qualifying after making their managerial switch.
The progress I was talking about, was building a solid foundation going forward in terms of style and becoming a world power, not just a concacaf power. Bradley is fine for what he does. Maintains and works with what he has.
However, I'd much rather see someone come in and overhaul the whole system. Someone who would stress technical skill and possession play.
Hell last year we all had a boner over Torres just because he seemed like the only mid we had who really was good with the ball at his feet. Bradley has certainly emerged, but it's kind of shocking to think that with as big a talent pool as we have to draw from, that we can only drum up a couple sound technical center mids.
Posted on 6/9/11 at 6:28 pm to LfcSU3520
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Bradley has certainly emerged, but it's kind of shocking to think that with as big a talent pool as we have to draw from, that we can only drum up a couple sound technical center mids.
Don't forget Holden, though Bolton don't seem to put a high emphasis on pass completion.
I agree with some of your points, but the overhaul has to happen on the youth level. We have to start emphasizing small pitches, heavier balls, fewer players, etc. That move has to happen at every level that soccer is played in this country, which will be a massive undertaking in my opinion (at least to streamline it so it's as efficient as it can be). I'm not sure a Bielsa can implement that sort of change at the appropriate level. What a Bielsa would do would be to increase the tactical knowledge of the players who are already at a certain level.
Posted on 6/9/11 at 6:32 pm to LfcSU3520
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The progress I was talking about, was building a solid foundation going forward in terms of style and becoming a world power, not just a concacaf power. Bradley is fine for what he does. Maintains and works with what he has.
He is the national team manager, not the "US Soccer Czar." He sees a group of professional players for what?.... 30 days out of a given year?
His job is to pick the best 18-23 Americans (and Jonathan Bornstein) for any given match or tournament, and get results.
He's exceeded every realistic measurable that could have been placed upon him, with the possible exception of winning the first knockout game.
Changing the national team coach would have ZERO effect on the structure and development of US Soccer. That's a systemic issue within US Soccer.
People clamoring for the removal of a succesful national team coach does make it easier to identify the idiots, though, so there's that.
Posted on 6/9/11 at 6:33 pm to Stewie Griffin
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My question is why fix what ain't broke? 4-2-3-1 doesn't suit us because lone striker requires a skill set Jozy has yet to develop. Empty bucket gives us all we need until Jozy becomes that player. If he does, and Holden comes back, maybe we'll be better in that shape.
While that's a good point for now, I doubt our best players (Donovan and Dempsey) will be able to retain their wide positions in the next WC. Donovan seems a more likely candidate to make the traditional move from the wing to a central position, and I would actually prefer him there, as he moves the ball exceptionally quickly in an area where the game gets extremely congested. Dempsey I could see retaining his wide midfielder role, as he doesn't seem to rely on pace the way Donovan does, though I wouldn't be surprised if his role post-30 is much more limited on the field. Even then, I don't think he's a withdrawn forward.
Posted on 6/9/11 at 7:06 pm to Sheep
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People clamoring for the removal of a succesful national team coach does make it easier to identify the idiots, though, so there's that.
Are you trying to lose people's respect? Oh wait, people who think Bob isn't the best possible coach for the future of the USMNT are idiots, so you don't care whether they respect you.
quote:
Changing the national team coach would have ZERO effect on the structure and development of US Soccer.
So if I became coach of the USMNT, it would have no effect on the development of US Soccer? After all, I wouldn't be changing the youth development philosophy and system, only seeing a group of pro players for maybe 30 days a year.
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He's exceeded every realistic measurable that could have been placed upon him
He won 1 game at the 2010 WC in a group with Slovenia and Algeria.
Bob has had some good results, and I don't know that he should be replaced, but it's not idiotic to think a coaching change would be a good thing.
Posted on 6/9/11 at 7:25 pm to Sheep
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He is the national team manager, not the "US Soccer Czar." He sees a group of professional players for what?.... 30 days out of a given year?
I get that. So the rest of the year could go to redeveloping how we cultivate our young talent, no? And if that's not something he's capable of, then we could find someone who could. Which of course goes back to my ORIGINAL point, which wasn't fire Bradley cuz he's dumb and we lose. It's just that in order to keep going forward imo, we need someone who can overhaul the whole system and possibly give us an identity.
For some reason you keep ignoring the crux of my point and defending Bradley.
quote:
Changing the national team coach would have ZERO effect on the structure and development of US Soccer. That's a systemic issue within US Soccer.
horseshite. Developing soccer countries all over the world hire established national coaches to revamp their systems. When you bring in a coach from Princeton, his power really isn't going to be far reaching.
quote:
People clamoring for the removal of a succesful national team coach does make it easier to identify the idiots, though, so there's that.
successful by what metric? Bruce Arena took us to the quarterfinals of the World Cup, so should we have kept him? And yeah, we're idiots for asking questions. Get a grip
Posted on 6/9/11 at 7:38 pm to LfcSU3520
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successful by what metric? Bruce Arena took us to the quarterfinals of the World Cup, so should we have kept him? And yeah, we're idiots for asking questions. Get a grip
We did keep him, and he stopped progressing, so we got rid of him.
And it wasn't my intention to call YOU an idiot. I meant in more in the general sense of the "Fire Bob! What has he done!!!1??" crowd. (When the answer to that question is, a whole lot of shite that hasn't been accomplished before...)
These are usually the same idiots that think Freddy Adu should be a prominent member of the national team, while glossing over the fact that he's washed out of a dozen clubs before his balls have dropped.
I'm all for replacing the coach if the results aren't there, but I don't think that's the case here.
Oh, and you can take everything I've written in this thread and Ctrl+H (Find/Replace) Bob Bradley with Les Miles during the last (and I'm sure the upcoming) LSU football season. It's the 101st Keyboard Brigade that marches through the message boards at every negative turn.
We've made forward progress since Arena left, as long as that continues, the status quo is just fine with me.
When it stops, THEN you look for a change, but the grass ain't always greener, as Mexico and Sven-Goran Erikson can tell you.
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