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Posted on 1/31/11 at 9:10 pm to
Posted by LfcSU3520
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Posted on 1/31/11 at 9:10 pm to
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Nice over buy when you could have had Llorente for 10mm cheaper.


no you couldn't have. If they won't sell him now then there is no price you could have him for. You can't just throw out striker names because everyone comes with the caveat of whether the team will sell. No one seems to understand this. To get him now you'd probably have to offer more than 35 mil...Madrid will open the bank for him anyways.
Posted by glassman
Next to the beer taps at Finn's
Member since Oct 2008
117754 posts
Posted on 1/31/11 at 9:14 pm to
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Madrid will open the bank for him anyways.


I agree with that. But, with NESV throwing around cash IMO he should have been the first option, not Carroll. I hate Chelsea with a passion and hope El Nino flops. I just think Pool overpaid for Carroll. Especially considering he might not be fit for a month.
Posted by Ryne Sandberg
Team Am Mart
Member since Apr 2009
19714 posts
Posted on 1/31/11 at 9:43 pm to
I'm quicker to the draw

you should hear the shite posted on MCFC boards about Arsenal fans. They almost hate them as much as Red Devils. Now, I prefer watching Gooners to Spurs/Chelski, but still don't want them to succeed. Talking to an American gooner is the worst. All of these gooners are good times, but others I've encountered are just absolutely horrible. They all just love Wenger and say he's never done anything wrong and then I reply 2005. They reply 35 years. I say yea, we were culturally irrelevant for 25ish of those years. I then say "We Will Break You" before succumbing 3-0 away and playing for the draw at home
Posted by Friend of OBUDan
Member since Dec 2008
9963 posts
Posted on 1/31/11 at 11:57 pm to
I've had issues with Wenger the past couple of years, but what its hard to hate on him too much considering he's steered us through a tenuous financial period with the new stadium and kept us in the top four with a very young and fiscally responsible squad. Now's the payoff time though...we need more than the Carling Cup.
Posted by Leauxgan
Brooklyn
Member since Nov 2005
17324 posts
Posted on 2/1/11 at 8:54 am to
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at what point does something have to happen for these guys?


it's coming. it's just been difficult to keep up with chelsea and united who have spent something like 300-400 million on their squad in the last 5 or so years. we're always competitive in every major competition.

as for the perception that wenger is infallible to arsenal fans, well then I'd advise people to check out twitter, and you'll see that your argument is anecdotal at best. there's been plenty of 'spend some fricking money!!" criticisms. which yeah, might've been nice to get an elite CB. As for goal scorers we were never in short supply.

I think in the end we didn't (and perhaps still won't) win because we won't pluck several 20 million dollar 26 year olds from other squads to compose a mature team. instead wenger's policy is development.
This post was edited on 2/1/11 at 9:16 am
Posted by NOSA
Member since Jan 2004
10082 posts
Posted on 2/2/11 at 1:47 am to
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Hazard in the summer and sell Arshavin back to Russia.


I'd like Hazard, but I hope we keep Arshavin and ditch Rosicky. We still need some experience in the squad, and while Arshavin has taken heat this year he can still perform. He played with a lot of energy against Everton, just wish he did it more consistently. Rosicky is done.

This is my fear when Cesc leaves. As our team should be reaching it's pinnacle I'm afraid we are going to lose Cesc and try to replace him with Wilshere/Ramsey who aren't at that kind of level yet.
This post was edited on 2/2/11 at 1:49 am
Posted by petar
Miami
Member since May 2009
5989 posts
Posted on 2/2/11 at 2:30 am to
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united who have spent something like 300-400 million on their squad in the last 5 or so years.



false.... Man utd hasnt done much buying over the last 5 or so years. I bet we have spent less than Arsenal and prbly have a roster of under 25 that can rival any club in the world...

32.4 million pounds since may 2005

Plus: we win trophys and the only negative is that much of our stock ownership is debt leveraged higher than it prbly should be.

Sir Alex> Wegner
This post was edited on 2/2/11 at 2:34 am
Posted by Friend of OBUDan
Member since Dec 2008
9963 posts
Posted on 2/2/11 at 8:32 am to
Nice 2009 article.

Net means CR's absurd transfer fee and whoever else you sold is subtracted from all your purchases. Berba, Valencia, Nani, Anderson, Chicharito, Vidic, Obertan, da Silvas, Carrick, and others sure sounds like a lot of buying over the past 5 or so years.

If you want to go net transfer money spent, I think Arsenal would blow any of the top clubs out of the water.
Posted by Leauxgan
Brooklyn
Member since Nov 2005
17324 posts
Posted on 2/2/11 at 9:16 am to
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false.... Man utd hasnt done much buying over the last 5 or so years. I bet we have spent less than Arsenal and prbly have a roster of under 25 that can rival any club in the world...


can't find the article I quoted those numbers from. I posted it on this board sometime before the beginning of summer. here is a decent substitute: LINK. Not 300-400, apologies for that inflated range, but at least as absurdly high as Chelsea and City.

quote:

Sir Alex> Wegner


oh yeah, where's SAF's greatest coach of the decade trophy?!
Posted by St Nikoli Sabon
Mobile, Al
Member since Nov 2008
169 posts
Posted on 2/2/11 at 10:48 am to
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This post was edited on 2/2/11 at 10:48 am
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39151 posts
Posted on 2/2/11 at 11:07 am to
We really didn't need to buy anyone this window. The key to any success we have is to make sure that Koscielny and Squillaci don't play with each other. Hopefully winning the CC will lead to better things. The youth academy is key, as if even a small percentage of this latest class works out, we'll have some unbelievable depth.
Posted by petar
Miami
Member since May 2009
5989 posts
Posted on 2/2/11 at 1:03 pm to
Wellthis season man utd only outspent arsenal by 4mil. And. Arsenal had the largest transfer. But to make that article relevant 32.+26+1/10 transfers and the goalie we signed this season. No where even close to 200-300 million pounds. We are closer to 70 if even that high and I bet arsenal is close to the same number. Considering they spent 22in the 2010 season...

Y'all can keep Wegner. Ill take sir alex. He's a trophy winner. He develops talent as well as arse and is a better tactican
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39151 posts
Posted on 2/2/11 at 1:18 pm to
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Y'all can keep Wegner. Ill take sir alex. He's a trophy winner. He develops talent as well as arse and is a better tactican


While Sir Alex is a better tactician, partly because he'll play defensive where as Wenger never plays defensive, I really don't think he develops talent as well. That's not to say the players he has developed aren't world class, but Wenger's pedigree is much higher in terms of who he has developed in my opinion. Man U did produce one of the best academy classes ever in the 92-93 season, but I don't think any team will produce five international quality players all of the same age and talent level ever again in England.
Posted by Friend of OBUDan
Member since Dec 2008
9963 posts
Posted on 2/2/11 at 1:36 pm to
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I really don't think he develops talent as well.


+1

You still aren't understanding the net concept, Petar. Here's a link that can help you out. (Yes, I know it's from a Spurs board, but it was the best info I could google). The numbers vary a bit depending on your source site, but this paints an adequate picture.

LINK

Arsenal have made a 30+ mil pound profit in transfers over the last five years. That's pretty impressive.

As has been repeated over and over, Wenger's had his hands tied with this stadium/Highbury apartment situation. Now that everything is turning us a profit, it's time for him to get things done and win trophies.
Posted by petar
Miami
Member since May 2009
5989 posts
Posted on 2/2/11 at 7:05 pm to
I understand and do think arse wenger is one of the top coaches in the world. Maybe I can explain a little bit better what I mean.

Arse does a great job into developing talent but I don't think he does the best job into making good players into great players.

Sir alex does a great job making good players into great players. Maybe that's more of a tactical thing since he puts players into roles they can excell in
Posted by Friend of OBUDan
Member since Dec 2008
9963 posts
Posted on 2/2/11 at 7:32 pm to
I think Sir Alex is fantastic, but I think Wenger is as good as it gets developing talent. Sir Alex generally takes on more finished products these days (Rio, Vidic, Berba, Carrick, Evra, Valencia, etc). Gallas, Arshavin, Squillaci, Sagna, and Nasri are the only proven top flight players Arsene has brought in lately. Guys like Toure, Song, Clichy, and Eboue were nobodies when Arsene found them. Add that to the other young talent Wenger has cultivated throughout the years (Henry, Fabregas, et al).

Sir Alex is probably the best manager in English history, but Arsene is as good as it gets at player development.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39151 posts
Posted on 2/2/11 at 7:52 pm to
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Arse does a great job into developing talent but I don't think he does the best job into making good players into great players.

Sir alex does a great job making good players into great players.


You're arguing by a matter of degrees, which makes your argument slightly difficult to elucidate, and you provide little to no evidence. If there's one thing Wenger does well, it is to make world class players. If anything, Sir Alex has a harder time developing players because he is more likely to buy them after a certain level, while Wenger often buys unproven talent in order to develop them. Sir Alex also will pay whatever price he wants for players, something Wenger has never done. There are numerous players on the squad, Nani, Hargreaves, Berbatov, Rooney, Ferdinand, Carrick, whose price exceeds anything Arseanl has ever paid for a player. For me, that's not developing, that's buying already great players.

Developing is buying Cesc for half a million pounds, and turning a deep-lying playmaker into one of the best attacking midfielders in the game. Developing is taking a raw Alex Song and turning him into one of the best DM's in the PL. Developing is taking a young support striker like Van Persie and turning him into one of the most clinical CF's in the game. That's not to even mention turning Henry from an average winger into one of the best strikers in the game, or finding Vieria, Petit, Overmars, Pires, and a slew of other players. It should be noted that many players never reach the level they had with Arsenal once they leave, Henry, Anelka before Chelsea, Vieria, Adebayor, and numerous others.

This post was edited on 2/2/11 at 7:53 pm
Posted by glassman
Next to the beer taps at Finn's
Member since Oct 2008
117754 posts
Posted on 2/2/11 at 7:59 pm to
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Motherfricking bow. That is all.
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