re: Would this be racist?

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f I personally find it odd that you would condemn all slaveholders, personally, for their participation in an institution that was widespread for all but the last 150-200 years of human history. Your judgment in this regard is harsh and Manichaean but reasonable all the same.

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Why were we so many decades behind the British? The same British we so righteously rebelled against for the apparently comparatively egregious sin of "taxation without representation"?

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Whether slaveholders did or didn't treat their slaves with some degree of humanity has mattered, especially to slaves, for the vast majority of human history. You have taken a facile approach to slavery that leads to a lesser understanding. Your approach allows for no insight into, say, whether English-style chattel slavery was worse than French/Spanish forms, or the brands practiced by Africans, Arabs, or American Indians.

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I have no problem in having an academic discussion on the varieties of slavery over the years. I don't really even have a problem with having an academic discussion about all the dimensions of American chattel slavery. Where my sensitivity lies is in the modern-day attempted whitewash of the American institution by retreating into "well, this slavemaster wasn't REALLY all that bad" etc. etc. It's very rare that I see an American simply admit the evil of the American variety of the institution and move on without making quasi-excuses. I mean, it's virtually impossible to get a southerner to admit that the Civil War was fought over slavery and white supremacy.

And here's a question for you where I fully admit my ignorance: in all of the various geographies you listed of slavery over the eons, how present were contemporary abolition movements? Where they were present, how strident and/or widespread were they? My impression is that there was no significant abolition movement in Arabia in, say, 1550. My impression is that American slavery from 1800-1863 came attendant with an increasingly vociferous and politically-powerful abolition movement which challenged the slaveholder on moral grounds (and which didn't have much of a historical precedent outside of recently abolished British slavery). Please correct me if my impressions are mistaken.

Would this be racist?

giving the child of a Harvard-educated doctor preferential treatment over a kid who grew up in a trailer park because the dr's kid is black and the trailer kid is white

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". But plenty of southerners like to say everything except: "the south was very very wrong about slavery

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I am from the south and I have never heard one. Not one. I asked you to produce one and you couldn't do it. Again, you are a liar and you just don't know what you are talking about.

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Claiming not all slaves were treated poorly or questioning why slaves didn't try to revolt or deflecting blame because others had slavery or sold the slaves is tantamount to condoning slavery. And that's done repeatedly in this thread.

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Ridiculous.

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It's ok to acknowledge what our ancestors did. Get your head out your arse and don't be SEC crazy. It's not an attractive look

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No, forming an opinion without looking at something and finding out as much as possible about a subject, preferably from their own mouths, especially when it is readily availible is a classic case of shoving your head up to your shoulders in your arse.

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Claiming not all slaves were treated poorly or questioning why slaves didn't try to revolt or deflecting blame because others had slavery or sold the slaves is tantamount to condoning slavery. And that's done repeatedly in this thread.

And another move by slave owner apologist is the meme that the South didn't secede over slavery. Great argument except the declarations by South Carolina and other slave states specifically cite slavery.

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Yep.

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Also, if you are talking about CT's posts I stopped taking him seriously years ago.
and you still havn't named one person to defend slavery. I have seen one person in my lifetime complaining about slaves. It was a muslim woman bitching about not being able to bring her slaves with her when she came to the US.
The way you have talked about southerners, a person would think we are all pro-slavery. I sincerely hope that you havn't actually told people that don't know any better the bullshite I have seen you post here. And you are still a disgusting liar.

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I never said "pro-slavery". It is you who appear to be lying by repeating that silliness.

You're being ridiculous. It's like saying wives who are beaten must not be too bad since they don't leave.

Why are you defending a thing to do with slavery? Let it go

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You're being ridiculous. It's like saying wives who are beaten must not be too bad since they don't leave.

Why are you defending a thing to do with slavery? Let it go [/quote I'm not nor have I ever defended slavery. I suggested reading a book of interviews given by former slaves that would allow you to take a look into their lives, look at private letters of prominent people.

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Why are you so sure none of us have done that? What does any of that have to do with the enormity of the system?

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I am sure some people have, you havn't, your posts have been too ignorant.