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re: Why do American Christians support Israel?

Posted on 5/17/21 at 11:59 pm to
Posted by LRB1967
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Posted on 5/17/21 at 11:59 pm to
In Genesis chapter 12 God made a covenant with Abraham. In verse 3 He said" I will bless those who bless thee and curse those who curse thee. " This covenant is unconditional and as valid today as it was the day it was made.
The church has not replaced the Jewish people as many believe. There is a plan for the redemption of the Jews just as there is for Christians. Jesus was a practicing Jew as were the apostles. In Romans Paul states that there are three phases the Jews go through - election, rejection, and restoration. They are currently in the rejection phase but the promises of God are not changed by that.
I can tell you from experience that when I made the decision to stand on the side of Is real and the Jewish people blessings poured into my life. I pray the same for you.
Posted by JackieTreehorn
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Posted on 5/17/21 at 11:59 pm to
Jews have different beliefs but won’t murder us Christians and our families for simply having an opposing viewpoint. Whereas the savage Muslims murder at will and their religion preaches violence to all non Muslims. I’m on team Israel 10/10 times.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 12:01 am to
Because


You’re welcome
Posted by dclt145
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 12:03 am to
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The church has not replaced the Jewish people as many believe. There is a plan for the redemption of the Jews just as there is for Christians. Jesus was a practicing Jew as were the apostles. In Romans Paul states that there are three phases the Jews go through - election, rejection, and restoration. They are currently in the rejection phase but the promises of God are not changed by that.



bullshite. There is nothing more unbiblical and satanic as this garbage you just said.

John 14:6 makes it pretty damn clear. Jesus or Hell, those are your only two options. There is no alternate path or carve out for Jews. They can either accept Jesus or accept their fate.
Posted by arcalades
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 12:05 am to
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So if Jewish people are not God‘s chosen people, and they killed Christ, why do American Christians support Jewish people in Israel?
Israel is certainly God's "chosen people". That chosen part has a very specific meaning. They were chosen by God to bring salvation to the world. The Jewish people didn't accept Christ as the means to salvation, so God and Christ turned to Saul/Paul to take the message of salvation to the Gentiles. Note this: the entire purpose of the 144,000 Israelites in Revelation is to fulfill the prophecy regarding Israel being God's chosen people who would bring the message of salvation to the world.

As far as Christians supporting Israel, the reason is bc Christians know the Bible says God will bless people who help and support Israel, and God will not help those who oppose Israel.
Posted by dclt145
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 12:09 am to
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As far as Christians supporting Israel, the reason is bc Christians know the Bible says God will bless people who help and support Israel, and God will not help those who oppose Israel.





In the Old Testament, maybe

The Old Testament is over. It doesn't apply anymore.

I don't think God really cares about blessing a country who rejects Jesus and hates his followers.

Why on earth would God bless people who claim Jesus isn't Lord?

Christians cucking out to Israel is just disgusting. Israel REJECTS the cornerstone of Christianity, Jesus, yet you all worship the ground Israel walks on.
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 12:10 am to
Because false prophets brainwashed them


Galatians 3: 29 - If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Paul wrote that, but brainwashed idiots don't care
Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 12:10 am to
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American christians believe lots of things previously unheard of in the entirety of christian theology.




Romans 11:1

I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! For I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham,fn a member of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew.
Do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he appeals to God against Israel?
3 “Lord, they have killed your prophets, they have demolished your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life.”
4 But what is God’s reply to him? “I have kept for myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”
5 So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace.
6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.
7 ¶ What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened,
8 as it is written, “God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that would not see and ears that would not hear, down to this very day.”
9 ¶ And David says, “Let their table become a snare and a trap, a stumbling block and a retribution for them;
10 let their eyes be darkened so that they cannot see, and bend their backs forever.”
11 ¶ So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather, through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous.
12 Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusionfn mean!
13 ¶ Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry
14 in order somehow to make my fellow Jews jealous, and thus save some of them.
15 For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead?
16 If the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole lump, and if the root is holy, so are the branches.
17 ¶ But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing rootfn of the olive tree,
18 do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you.

19 Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.”
20 That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear.
21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you.
22 Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off.
23 And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again.
24 For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.
25 ¶ Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers:fn a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;
27 “and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins.”
28 ¶ As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers.
29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
30 For just as you were at one time disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience,
31 so they too have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may nowfn receive mercy.
32 For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.
33 ¶ Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways!
34 ¶ “For who has known the mind of the Lord, or who has been his counselor?”
35 “Or who has given a gift to him that he might be repaid?”
36 ¶ For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen.
Posted by dclt145
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 12:12 am to
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Galatians 3: 29 - If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.



Paul said Jesus came for both Jews and Gentiles, not just Gentiles whereas Jews have a different path/carve out for salvation
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
Foggy Bottom Law School
Member since Nov 2013
47367 posts
Posted on 5/18/21 at 12:12 am to
what do you think you just posted???



Galatians 3: 29

read up
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 12:13 am to
Why do people think that Christianity, or religion, plays a factor in choosing a favorite in a military conflict? Some time you could can be bias against both but still pick a favorite for other reason. Maybe it’s just because the IDF has hot chicks

Posted by dclt145
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 12:13 am to
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Revelator



Since you seem to believe all Jews/people who live in Israel get salvation and get into heaven no matter what, what did Jesus die for then?
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62000 posts
Posted on 5/18/21 at 12:14 am to
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John 14:6 makes it pretty damn clear. Jesus or Hell, those are your only two options. There is no alternate path or carve out for Jews. They can either accept Jesus or accept their fate.


And the Jews, once their eyes are opened by God, will also believe by faith in Jesus just like the rest of us. What’s hard to understand about that?
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
Foggy Bottom Law School
Member since Nov 2013
47367 posts
Posted on 5/18/21 at 12:15 am to
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The answer is in the Bible



yes it is

Galatians 3:29


but I'll bet you don't like that answer
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62000 posts
Posted on 5/18/21 at 12:16 am to
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Galatians 3: 29 - If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. Paul wrote that, but brainwashed idiots don't care


Show me in this verse where it says Jews stop being Abraham’s seed simply because Gentiles can be spiritually characterized as such?
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
Foggy Bottom Law School
Member since Nov 2013
47367 posts
Posted on 5/18/21 at 12:17 am to
Israel bombs the shite out of Christian parts of Syria every Christmas day

But the American media does not cover it

Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
Foggy Bottom Law School
Member since Nov 2013
47367 posts
Posted on 5/18/21 at 12:18 am to
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God has told us to.......eventually all Jews will become Christio
ans and until then, God says do not mess with His "First Born"




show me the verse on that bullshite statement
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62000 posts
Posted on 5/18/21 at 12:18 am to
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what do you think you just posted???


What I posted is self explanatory
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
Foggy Bottom Law School
Member since Nov 2013
47367 posts
Posted on 5/18/21 at 12:20 am to
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Here’s a short video explaining why there is no peace between Palestine and Israel

Basically, Israel tried to give them what they thought they wanted 5 times. Turns out, Palestinians want Israel to disappear from the map all together. They don’t care about having their own state. You can’t reason and make peace with people like that.



all absolute fake bullshite
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62000 posts
Posted on 5/18/21 at 12:21 am to
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Since you seem to believe all Jews/people who live in Israel get salvation and get into heaven no matter what, what did Jesus die for then?


That’s not what I said at all and it’s not what the scripture says. The Bible says in the last days, the blinders will be lifted off of Israel’s eyes and they will understand that Jesus is their Messiah and they will believe. Does that mean all of them? I can’t say. But the scripture is clear it will happen.
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