re: Why aren't there more pro choice conservatives?

They've been told to stay the ground their at which is a faux high ground. Calling it murder is a selling point to be repeated and nothing more seeing as they don't give a flying shite about the baby once it's born.

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if you stab a pregnant woman to death, you're charged with two murders... why is that?

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Because in that case losing the fetus wasn't her.... here comes that word again.... choice

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when the heart begins to beat.

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So, until the point that heart starts pumping, they're not a human??

Understanding that this is just your opinion, and you have no scientific data to back that up, I would counter argue that life begins at conception

Once a human sperm and human egg interact, and begin the process of cells being formed... that is human life

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Once a human sperm and human egg interact, and begin the process of cells being formed... that is human life

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So you would have just as much of a moral issue dropping a live baby as you would a sperm and egg in a Petri dish? I already know that's bullshite, one of those is more of a "human" to you than the other, now we just have to debate on when exactly those two lines meet up to find your true stance

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they're not a human

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they're a human clump of cells going into mitosis and meiosis, sure. but it has not fully formed.

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Understanding that this is just your opinion, and you have no scientific data to back that up, I would counter argue that life begins at conception

Once a human sperm and human egg interact, and begin the process of cells being formed... that is human life

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well we don't know at what point consciousness begins and ceases, so anything relative is by definition, an opinion.

However, I contend that in order to be considered a living human being, one must be able to sense. Considering the systems necessary for any type of sensation to happen have not yet been made, I do not consider it to be a live human being.

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So women are the sole arbiters of all human life?? Who gave them that right?? It takes two people to create one child... sounds a bit sexist... actually sounds like a cop out

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No... if that woman is so against having that child with that man she should have every right to go through what she needs to to make that happen. And that man should leave and find a better partner. You're argument would work if we had one sperm per lifetime to give to one woman. One guy can repopulate the planet, if the girl isn't wanting to raise a child with him then you should have NO say in that. Men walk out on women who don't get abortions all the time, is that sexist too? Maybe that's just the cop out from the other angle?

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Human cells are distinctly human... if those cells are alive, THAT'S LIFE... DNA replication, mitosis... it's alive and should be treated as such

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So you're gonna double down here... you'd have no more of a moral obligation to save the baby over the Petri dish if they were both falling? We all know that's completely stupid and you even trying to argue the point there is ridiculous. There's another line to be drawn here from when a zygote exists and when a baby is born. We'll find it.

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well we don't know at what point consciousness begins and ceases, so anything relative is by definition, an opinion.

However, I contend that in order to be considered a living human being, one must be able to sense. Considering the systems necessary for any type of sensation to happen have not yet been made, I do not consider it to be a live human being.

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I dont believe consciousness to be a factor within the framework of life... living cells of a child going through the stages of pregnancy are very much human, and very much alive

I think the argument of what defines humanity is a very valid discussion, and I'm sure there are many opinions, but does the lack of certain senses make it less human?? Was Helen Keller any less human than you or I??

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So you're gonna double down here... you'd have no more of a moral obligation to save the baby over the Petri dish if they were both falling? We all know that's completely stupid and you even trying to argue the point there is ridiculous. There's another line to be drawn here from when a zygote exists and when a baby is born. We'll find it.

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To answer your question, a Petri dish baby is the same as a naturally conceived baby... I dont see the point or rational behind the question