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re: UK All Cause Mortality Data by Vax Status
Posted on 5/10/22 at 2:27 pm to BamaAtl
Posted on 5/10/22 at 2:27 pm to BamaAtl
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So you agree that the covid-19 vaccine is safe?
No. We honestly don't know the answer to that question.
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Why does this thread even exist, then?
The data shows that while it may protect you from sever illness due to COVID, it makes you more likely to die from other causes.
ETA:
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Not in this world they weren't.
You won't be able to point to any legitimate evidence otherwise. The "whistleblower" who claimed the information was not accurate was totally discredited.
This post was edited on 5/10/22 at 2:29 pm
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Posted on 5/10/22 at 2:28 pm to imjustafatkid
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Why would you have a problem with this?
Because death in a hospital while suffering from a positive covid-19 diagnosis is much different than any death, anywhere, for any reason.
What's unclear about that to you?
Posted on 5/10/22 at 2:29 pm to BamaAtl
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That's not simply my objection, that's just all that's been necessary.
It's wrong for a number of reasons, but these are the big 3:
Okay, my view is the analysis is pretty limited. It's an interesting suggestion supported by a superficial read of data.
But now to my follow-up question: why haven't you scrutinize Covid data/analysis the same way? Assuming you actually believe the BS you come across as believing (as opposed to cynically turning a blind eye to inaccurate/corrupt data because it supports your politics), do you have any idea how much you've been fooled?
Can you explain how the death certificate matching program works?
Posted on 5/10/22 at 2:30 pm to BamaAtl
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Because death in a hospital while suffering from a positive covid-19 diagnosis is much different than any death, anywhere, for any reason.
Not according to COVID-19 statistics it isn't. We still have deaths "with COVID" counted with deaths "from COVID." As long as that is the case, then the information in the OP is comparable to that data.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 2:41 pm to David_DJS
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why haven't you scrutinize Covid data/analysis the same way?
What makes you think I haven't? Nothing's perfect, but only one side of this is outright lying to you.
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Can you explain how the death certificate matching program works?
The NDI that uses probabilistic matching to find dead study subjects, or something else? I know we do a bit of reconciliation at the state level for our patients.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 2:43 pm to imjustafatkid
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We still have deaths "with COVID" counted with deaths "from COVID."
Most of the deaths I'm referring to are "from COVID" - the vast majority.
There just isn't a huge percentage of people who were going to die in a hospital on a particular day regardless of whether they got covid-19 - it almost always hastened their demise.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 2:56 pm to BamaAtl
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Your death threats against me don't suddenly make you right.
Stfu you ignorant bitch.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 3:14 pm to BamaAtl
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What makes you think I haven't?
The arguments you're making throughout this thread.
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Nothing's perfect, but only one side of this is outright lying to you.
You're wrong, and a lack of self-awareness has you believing only the "anti-vaxxers" are being lied to.
You are being lied to, but because the lies support political views you hold, you're okay with it. If the CDC was gaslighting America that Covid wasn't real, was not moving the needle one iota health-wise in America because it was trying to protect a president up for reelection, you'd have a completely different POV.
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The NDI that uses probabilistic matching to find dead study subjects, or something else? I know we do a bit of reconciliation at the state level for our patients.
How can you so forcefully defend/support data as accurate when you don't even know how it's derived? See what I mean about self-awareness?
Posted on 5/10/22 at 3:33 pm to David_DJS
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David_DJS
It's very easy to discount a fraudulent study when it's so transparently bad as this one is.
It's also very easy to rely on the totality of information to come to an understanding that the covid-19 vaccine is both safe and effective.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 3:37 pm to BurntOrangeMan
Someone please tell me this isn’t real or faulty
Posted on 5/10/22 at 3:44 pm to BurntOrangeMan
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A value of 15 means we kill 15 people from the vaccine to save 1 life from COVID.
Let’s be precise. It means all-cause mortality is higher in the vaxx group.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 3:46 pm to BamaAtl
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Yes and no. Some states (e.g. Florida) went to great lengths to conceal their hospitalizations and deaths
Or maybe they were just honest about why people were dying. The numbers would be half of what they are if they actually sorted out people dying from Covid than dying with Covid, which they said they would do and never did. The massive dip in flu, pneumonia, and cold deaths are a huge red flag. The pcr tests can’t tell the difference. Hospitals made bank calling everything Covid. The actual Covid deaths is much smaller than they claim
Posted on 5/10/22 at 3:46 pm to BamaAtl
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I'm sorry that you either don't understand how you've been fooled, or don't want to, but that doesn't change the fact that you were fooled.
Shut up. You lying bitch arse cûnt.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 3:47 pm to BamaAtl
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And tracking both by vaccination status was a mixed bag in most states until the very recent past.
Hahahahahahhahahahahahahahah
Hahahahahhaahahahahahahha
Hahahahahahah
Queer.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 3:49 pm to xxTIMMYxx
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Or maybe they were just honest about why people were dying.
That isn't it.
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The massive dip in flu, pneumonia, and cold deaths are a huge red flag.
Social distancing accounts for a bit of that. The massive jump in excess mortality points to the fact that we've undercounted covid-19 deaths.
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The pcr tests can’t tell the difference.
Between covid-19 and influenza? Of course they can.
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Hospitals made bank calling everything Covid.
If you think we made more money from covid-19 patients then we would from a transplant or oncology or total knee patient, I have a bridge to sell you.
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Covid deaths is much smaller than they claim
In reality, the official estimate is the low end of the true number.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 3:49 pm to BamaAtl
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the covid-19 vaccine is both safe and effective.
The danger is overstated in forums like this.
The efficacy is garbage. Jnj’s efficacy was basically 0% at 6 months based on VA data.
Pfizer cooked their data.
The efficacy is bullshite.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 3:51 pm to the808bass
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The efficacy is garbage.
It's decreased against infection, but it still holds up against severe disease / mortality.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 3:52 pm to BamaAtl
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The massive jump in excess mortality points to the fact that we've undercounted covid-19 deaths.
You can make statements like this and it just illustrates you’re either stupid, dishonest or dishonestly stupid.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 3:52 pm to imjustafatkid
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The data shows that while it may protect you from sever illness due to COVID
Do we even know this or is this the last line of defense of deescalating lies over 2 years. It started out that if you get the vaccine you won’t get sick and the spread stops in it’s tracks
Posted on 5/10/22 at 3:53 pm to BamaAtl
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There just isn't a huge percentage of people who were going to die in a hospital on a particular day regardless of whether they got covid-19 - it almost always hastened their demise.
You can provide no evidence whatsoever to support this claim.
This post was edited on 5/10/22 at 3:54 pm
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