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re: Trump's explains his plans for using tariffs.

Posted on 11/27/24 at 6:27 am to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 11/27/24 at 6:27 am to
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If you like your prices now, you'll love the adjustments post enactment of tariffs.


Their influencers who are as holy as their Bible, told them it would not cause inflation.

Influencers are always right.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
92344 posts
Posted on 11/27/24 at 6:29 am to
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If you like your prices now, you'll love the adjustments post enactment of tariffs. But, hey, I'm thankfully not you.....I don't want to pay more for my food ( produce, mostly)and fuel...but, that's just me.


So you cant back up your idiotic claim

How shocking.
Posted by Metariemobtiger
Mobile
Member since Aug 2019
578 posts
Posted on 11/27/24 at 6:32 am to
Honestly, how tf is it not like this now?
Crazy to think America has to DEPEND on another country for ANYTHING that we can make or mine …
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
35332 posts
Posted on 11/27/24 at 7:18 am to
OK smart guy.

52% of our imported oil comes from Canada. So you slap a 25% tariff on that, and given refining costs of the heavy crude, you will pay more as refiners pass the cost onto the consumer.....you think refiners are going to eat the tariff?

But, it gets worse

So Mexico sends us upwards of 650 million barrels of crude each year, in return we send them 1.6 -1.8 billion barrels equivalent of refined product. So a trade war gets played on both ends. We charge more for the raw product, and Mexico has to the slap on a tariff on the refined goods that already have 25% mark up.

Congratulations you have just needlessly introduced inflation that is carried by the people you purport to want to help....oh, but wages go up. Well, maybe until such time as the prices start to effect demand....and de.and slows because the prices are to high relative to income and household budgets. So you stagnate industries and labor....and then the layoffs happen.

Don't even get me started on food prices. That's just Americans that get the short shrift on that. Maybe you think....it's just car parts and we can retool old factories. Maybe. So since you have a 25% markup on parts made in Mexico, the consumer is paying that cost ( or do you think it disappears). So when your F150 or Silverado breaks down and you bitch about the bill.

What am I missing so far. You want me to get into real in depth trade policy and real economics. You want me to get into foreign policy and how victimizing and pissing off an ally not only hurts the ally but us overall....and you'll see more illegal immigration into the US.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
92344 posts
Posted on 11/27/24 at 7:21 am to
You just posted a rant of stupid

Please break down the numbers and tell me how much more I will be paying on fuel and food from the evil tariff threats

Be detailed and specific. Dont just rant on like CNN with fear pron
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
292733 posts
Posted on 11/27/24 at 7:23 am to
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Crazy to think America has to DEPEND on another country for ANYTHING that we can make or mine …


$$$$

Would you like much higher prices on everything?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
292733 posts
Posted on 11/27/24 at 7:23 am to
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What am I missing so far.


He doesnt have the cognitive ability to understand anything you typed. Thats a fact.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
26711 posts
Posted on 11/27/24 at 7:24 am to
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Wait..... Hang on.... Lol
So, the data shows the tariff didn't increase the price of steel????


If this is the case, how did this tariff help US steel producers? I thought that was one of the main goals of a tariff; to make the US more competitive.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
92344 posts
Posted on 11/27/24 at 7:24 am to
You also cant provide a number. Never ever
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
35332 posts
Posted on 11/27/24 at 7:38 am to
Given today's price

about .65 more a gallon

You like paying more because in this scenario you don't pay less.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
292733 posts
Posted on 11/27/24 at 7:40 am to
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If this is the case, how did this tariff help US steel producers?


Ive asked numerous times how many jobs did Trump and Bidens tariffs create, and no one can answer.

MAGA is always focused on the intermediate steps which is why the goals are rarely achieved.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
92344 posts
Posted on 11/27/24 at 7:46 am to
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Given today's price

about .65 more a gallon


Please break down how you came up with this figure.
But if your number is accurate thats about 40 extra a month or about a dollar a day

Now do it for food and breakdown which food items and how much they will increase

This post was edited on 11/27/24 at 7:47 am
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
35332 posts
Posted on 11/27/24 at 7:52 am to
I guess he thinks that if he wishes real hard that prices go down and that somehow the laws of supply and demand are held in suspension. But dammit it will get rid of that kilo of fentanyl, which of course it won't. Maybe he understands some archane carve out in monetary policy whereby it makes sense to devalue the dollar and the result is bountiful supply domestically. Or, maybe he's a fool who wants to pay more thinking he is being a selfless patriot.

I get wanting to slap tariffs on the Chinese . It's not terribly effective, but I get it. But to do it on the Mexicans and Canadians is hurting yourself. The three of us have an integrated economy and it works really well for everyone north of Guatemala
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
292733 posts
Posted on 11/27/24 at 7:55 am to
the problem is they dont care and refuse to even acknowledge the idea that tariffs arent the way to American prosperity.

Anything that goes against these tariffs, and youre automatically a "Democrat" which is hilarious, because tariffs are squarely a Progressive ideal to prop up union workers.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
35332 posts
Posted on 11/27/24 at 8:19 am to
Maybe tariffs worked well during the Gilded Age post Civil War and pre WWI. But we have gone way beyond that today and tariffs don't make sense . Especially in this case. You might as well slap tariffs on California if you are Texas
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
35332 posts
Posted on 11/27/24 at 8:25 am to
OK, pay more. In fact, go to Rouses or whomever and offer to pay an extra $ 15.00 on your $ 100.00 purchase . Tell them you are Making America Great Again. Donnie will no doubt laugh at you as you attempt to do it with a straight face.

40.00 is an extra tank of gas .....almost. now think about the fuel charge on products shipped by truck and the resulting increases
Posted by DawgCountry
Great State of GA
Member since Sep 2012
32180 posts
Posted on 11/27/24 at 8:32 am to
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
35332 posts
Posted on 11/27/24 at 8:44 am to
So you think American businesses in a fit of patriotic fervor are going to lower their base prices . So that 1.00 avocado with a 25% surcharge is going to stay the same in price. Because magically the producers will drop their price 25%.

What am I missing? Should Trump the manipulate the currency to then artificially strengthen the dollar? I'm confused as to your thinking if there was any thought put in it at all.
Posted by Metariemobtiger
Mobile
Member since Aug 2019
578 posts
Posted on 11/27/24 at 9:04 am to
You’re missing the point.
We shouldn’t be dependent on anyone.
Is it nice to have a free market but we should never depend on china or anyone else for shite.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
292733 posts
Posted on 11/27/24 at 9:06 am to
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Maybe tariffs worked well during the Gilded Age post Civil War and pre WWI. But we have gone way beyond that today and tariffs don't make sense


Right.

The idea that tariffs will lead to a massive industrial era is a fairy tale. Our economy has evolved beyond those kind of jobs. This is a totally different monetary system from the Gilded Age, I dont think they realize that.
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