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re: Top Fed Official Resigns
Posted on 2/10/17 at 5:58 pm to Iowa Golfer
Posted on 2/10/17 at 5:58 pm to Iowa Golfer
quote:Gotta upvote all this shite
Unless I'm missing something, I can't buy into bailing out CEO's whose sole responsibility to bto beat estimated quarter after quarter. And even if they don't, get paid enormous amounts at the cost of their shareholders, who they allegedly serve, and their employees, when being an employer needs to be viewed as an ethical and moral responsibility in my opinion. On occasion my employees get a larger percentage increase in compensation that I do. Not often, but it happens. My business and my partner have earnings remain in the company so it can continue to operate, even though we pay taxes on profits we never receive that year. I just can't defend a bail out for people who behave in such an immoral and greedy manner. And this is coming from someone who is admittedly fairly greedly, and not exactly a nice guy in business. But I won't do this at the expense of employees, my partner, or basic ethics. And if I fail, I doubt I get bailed out.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 8:52 am to Iowa Golfer
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I wasn't negatively impacted in 2008. My revenue might have decreased, but I don't think so
My portfolio took quite a hit.
While it's recovered now, I can't say my finances weren't impacted from the banking crash - and could've been much moreso without the bailout.
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I can't buy into bailing out CEO's whose sole responsibility to bto beat estimated quarter after quarter. And even if they don't, get paid enormous amounts at the cost of their shareholders, who they allegedly serve
The demand in the market place for those CEOs in large part determine their compensation packages. Their performance determines the rest. Their fiduciary duty is to increase shareholder value, it is not to their employees, or the stability of the national banking system.
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On occasion my employees get a larger percentage increase in compensation that I do. Not often, but it happens.
That's because you're looking out for the long-term interests of a small, privately held company. The CEOs were talking about are motivated by the short-term interests of their shareholders.
The nature of our system is growth for its own sake, with the hypothetical goal being monopoly. This is how we get these huge mega-corporations that can individually have major impacts on the market as a whole.
I too have a problem with bailing out these huge banks, but the alternative is to keep them from getting so large that they can have such devastating effects on our system. I'm not sure that's where we really want to go.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 9:04 am to Aubie Spr96
ya we don't need any regulation on the banks. They want to start their next ponzi scheme so they can crash the economy. It was insanely profitable for them until the economy tanked. But then the american people bailed them out so what the hell? Why not do it again?
Posted on 2/13/17 at 4:11 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
These are all very good points. I knew this stuff, but when I typed my response none of this entered my mind.
A couple of thoughts.
First with respect to my portfolio. It had an unrealized loss. I didn't sell anything at a loss, so the market's movement didn't harm me. I actually saw opportunity and made nice profits on both FNMA and FMCC. Some options on paper silver as well.
While I have no issue with demand, emotionally I place many in corporate leadership and mid-level management as very similar to government bureaucrats. This is emotional, and has no bearing on the fact the market mostly determines their compensation.
I agree with you on CEO's fiduciary duty. When the situation between the federal government and APPL was ongoing, I made a comment on here about AAPL's CEO breaching his fiduciary duty. It was a valid argument, and several investor type talking heads agreed with me. IIRC, my comment was met with a lot of criticism, and I think someone actually called me a stupid douche bag.
On your last point I am looking out for both the short and long term interest of a small business, but I was serious about my comments about being an employer has a moral and ethical obligation for employee's well being. While it might not be an economic thing, it is a personal value thing for me. I want them to make as much money as I can pay. Selfishly becuase if they are making more, so am I, but also in an unselfish manner.
We could have an entire conversation about what the answers might have been in 2008-2009, and forward. But my basic premise is that consequences should have happened to both depositors and bankers. I think had AIG properly reserved for what was essentially a policy of insurance, most of this could have been avoided. A large portion would have been mitigated. The only party I really understood being bailed out was AIG. And I wasn't happy about that. They got away with calling an insurance product a financial swap, and consequently never had close to enough capital to pay the subsequent "claims." At one time on IB I had looked a trading the futures contracts on credit default swaps. I'm not 100% certain, but the gentleman that shorted the housing market I believe shorted some swaps as well. It's like insuring a municipal bond offering. There are still players that do this, and most certainly at present mortgage lenders are insuring the paper they keep. It's fascinating to me, and I thank you for your post as I enjoyed thinking through it.
A couple of thoughts.
First with respect to my portfolio. It had an unrealized loss. I didn't sell anything at a loss, so the market's movement didn't harm me. I actually saw opportunity and made nice profits on both FNMA and FMCC. Some options on paper silver as well.
While I have no issue with demand, emotionally I place many in corporate leadership and mid-level management as very similar to government bureaucrats. This is emotional, and has no bearing on the fact the market mostly determines their compensation.
I agree with you on CEO's fiduciary duty. When the situation between the federal government and APPL was ongoing, I made a comment on here about AAPL's CEO breaching his fiduciary duty. It was a valid argument, and several investor type talking heads agreed with me. IIRC, my comment was met with a lot of criticism, and I think someone actually called me a stupid douche bag.
On your last point I am looking out for both the short and long term interest of a small business, but I was serious about my comments about being an employer has a moral and ethical obligation for employee's well being. While it might not be an economic thing, it is a personal value thing for me. I want them to make as much money as I can pay. Selfishly becuase if they are making more, so am I, but also in an unselfish manner.
We could have an entire conversation about what the answers might have been in 2008-2009, and forward. But my basic premise is that consequences should have happened to both depositors and bankers. I think had AIG properly reserved for what was essentially a policy of insurance, most of this could have been avoided. A large portion would have been mitigated. The only party I really understood being bailed out was AIG. And I wasn't happy about that. They got away with calling an insurance product a financial swap, and consequently never had close to enough capital to pay the subsequent "claims." At one time on IB I had looked a trading the futures contracts on credit default swaps. I'm not 100% certain, but the gentleman that shorted the housing market I believe shorted some swaps as well. It's like insuring a municipal bond offering. There are still players that do this, and most certainly at present mortgage lenders are insuring the paper they keep. It's fascinating to me, and I thank you for your post as I enjoyed thinking through it.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 4:15 pm to wdhalgren
quote:And my thanks to you for supporting the politicians who allowed, nay, encouraged this to happen.
But now this country has so much debt that any attempt to re-establish sound money, risk management and lending practices will immediately bankrupt the government, the banking system, and the fed itself.
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