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re: The "Parties Switched" shite most of you were taught is bull shite
Posted on 8/17/17 at 3:58 pm to Collegedropout
Posted on 8/17/17 at 3:58 pm to Collegedropout
Grover Cleveland was the last Democrat who could be classified as a classical liberal. The party nominated populist William Jennings Bryan in 1896 and then followed the economic policies of free silver and agrarian populism. Had Cleveland lived through WWI, he would have become a Republican. The policies of Calvin Coolidge and later Robert Taft were much closer to Cleveland than the Democrat of the mid-20th century.
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Posted on 8/17/17 at 3:58 pm to stelly1025
They stuck them in government houses, paid them tribute to have children out of wedlock and not work, then blamed their problems on racist Republicans
Posted on 8/17/17 at 3:58 pm to genro
As I said, it proves that most people didn't vote for economics reasons the way they do now.
The Southern strategy is bullshite, but it is not a lie that many Democrats back then were Fiscal Conservative and Socially Conservative, aka modern day Republican.
The Southern strategy is bullshite, but it is not a lie that many Democrats back then were Fiscal Conservative and Socially Conservative, aka modern day Republican.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 3:59 pm to SCLibertarian
Are you only talking about presidents?
Posted on 8/17/17 at 3:59 pm to Collegedropout
quote:
The Southern strategy is bullshite, but it is not a lie that many Democrats back then were Fiscal Conservative and Socially Conservative, aka modern day Republican.
Not enough of them to make their platforms not be class warrior shite.
IE, just like modern day democrats.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 3:59 pm to Collegedropout
So did the parties switch or not?
Posted on 8/17/17 at 4:00 pm to volod
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social conservatism
fiscal restraint
muscular internationalism
Well, nothing wrong with a two legged stool
Posted on 8/17/17 at 4:00 pm to ShortyRob
Posted on 8/17/17 at 4:01 pm to ShortyRob
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People can post all the links they like from opinion idiots. I simply say fine. Google the Democratic platform for every election from about 1880 forward. Tell me if any of them are NOT class warrior platforms. The end.
The majority of Democratic platforms were class warfare. The only difference is the GOP saw an opportunity after the Civil Rights Acts to take advantage of disgruntled whites in the South.
Its politics 101, take advantage of a voting bloc that previously was controlled by your opponent that is currently discontent.
Honestly, the saddest part of all of this is that some people feel the only way they can get ahead in life is at the expense of an entire group of people who have no control over the economics in the country.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 4:01 pm to DelU249
The 1888 election, in which the entire South voted Fiscally conservative for a yankee from New Jersey.
This post was edited on 8/17/17 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 8/17/17 at 4:02 pm to Collegedropout
Yes
Posted on 8/17/17 at 4:02 pm to JasonMason
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This video destroys that pretty easily.
I simply repeat.
Read Dem platforms from 1880 forward.
Find one that is NOT class based and "Republicans are the party of the rich" based.
When you don't.
I rest my case.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 4:04 pm to volod
quote:
The majority of Democratic platforms were class warfare. The only difference is the GOP saw an opportunity after the Civil Rights Acts to take advantage of disgruntled whites in the South.
BINGO
Parties..........SAME
Changing who you sell your class warfare to doesn't make you not a class warrior class envy party.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 4:05 pm to Lakeboy7
Posted on 8/17/17 at 4:06 pm to ShortyRob
I'm saying the parties didn't switch. There were like 21 southern democrat senators that voted against civil rights. Only one of them switched parties. The other 20 either continued to run as democrats or the people in their place ran as democrats. Republicans didn't even start really winning the south until the late 80s or 90s.
This post was edited on 8/17/17 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 8/17/17 at 4:07 pm to ShortyRob
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1880 Democratic Party Platform June 22, 1880
The Democrats of the United States, in Convention assembled, declare:
13. The Democratic party is the friend of labor and the laboring man, and pledges itself to protect him alike against the cormorant and the commune.
American Presidency Project
I just pulled one out of the list, as it seemed very close to today's democrats.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 4:08 pm to ShortyRob
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They just changed their minds a few times on how to do that.
And Republicans haven't?
Posted on 8/17/17 at 4:12 pm to bmy
quote:did I say they didn't? The assertion here is that the Democrats are and always have been the party of class Warrior and class Envy and have always portrayed Republicans as the party of the mean old rich.
And Republicans haven't
The entire Theory that the parties switched is complete and utter bullshite and the only support for it is if one focus is entirely on race. And even that is suspect as was pointed out by other posters.
Changing which group of poor people you Pander to is not switching ideologies
This post was edited on 8/17/17 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 8/17/17 at 4:13 pm to bmy
LINK
The parties didn't switch per se, the south switched parties. Once the south left the Democratic Party, its more liberal factions didn't have to worry about cowtowing to southern bourbon demands. The GOP became more conservative as its main base of support became the old confederacy.
The parties didn't switch per se, the south switched parties. Once the south left the Democratic Party, its more liberal factions didn't have to worry about cowtowing to southern bourbon demands. The GOP became more conservative as its main base of support became the old confederacy.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 4:15 pm to volod
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The only difference is the GOP saw an opportunity after the Civil Rights Acts to take advantage of disgruntled whites in the South.
A higher percentage of Republicans voted in favor of the Civil Rights Act than Democrats. Why would disgruntled whites back the Republican party knowing that? Especially considering that the loudest outrage of the CRA came from the Democrats. Wouldn't racist Southerners want to reward racist Democrats with their continued support?
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