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re: The next time a pro-abortion zealot denies that status, show them this.

Posted on 9/29/22 at 6:55 pm to
Posted by HVAU
Up over here
Member since Sep 2010
5165 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 6:55 pm to
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Got it. You are for killing a baby if it can't survive without help. You do realize they can't fend for themselves for years after they have moved location to outside the mothers body. Strange to be ok with murder based on location and what the person looks like.


I guess we should line up for the every sperm is sacred hymn.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
27182 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:03 pm to
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My mother also isn't a zygote.


She was in the past.

My mother was once a zygote.
My mother was once a toddler.
My mother was once a teenager.
Posted by Chrome
Chromeville
Member since Nov 2007
13295 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:05 pm to
Still amazed that the ability to kill an unborn child is such a devote status among these women.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:07 pm to
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She was in the past.

My mother was once a zygote.
My mother was once a toddler.
My mother was once a teenager.


CSB.
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
20916 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:11 pm to
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There's a large gap between an embryo and a toddler.
There’s no gap, there’s your problem.

Equally human, equally a member of the species.

Arguing otherwise is simply saying you can kill someone based on their age.

Once you hit 80 I’m sure you’re ok with killing them as they’re of minimal use to society
Posted by jimmarley
Southeast
Member since May 2020
1601 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:19 pm to
Too bad their mamas weren't pro-abortion.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
27182 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:21 pm to
Yep antiscience. They try so hard to act like it is not human based on things that have nothing to do with whether it is human or not. Size, looks, age, location, stage of development etc.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:22 pm to
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There’s no gap, there’s your problem.




I know y'all generally know frick all about biology, but that's new.

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Equally human, equally a member of the species.


Being a member of the human species doesn't grant special status. You're OK with killing. You just have a different line.

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Arguing otherwise is simply saying you can kill someone based on their age.

Once you hit 80 I’m sure you’re ok with killing them as they’re of minimal use to society


Trying to insert "someone" is where your argument falls on its face. You move from "human species" to "personhood" with that one, and you're going to lose every time.
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
20916 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:32 pm to
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I know y'all generally know frick all about biology, but that's new.
You didn’t know both are members of the same species? Son that’s basic biology.

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Being a member of the human species doesn't grant special status. You're OK with killing. You just have a different line.
True. I don’t believe killing someone who has committed no crime is ok. You do.

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Trying to insert "someone" is where your argument falls on its face. You move from "human species" to "personhood" with that one, and you're going to lose every time.
Actually it doesn’t. I’ve not argued of a concept of “personhood”. You introduced that, in the hopes it would help your argument or change its direction.

Hint: it doesn’t
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:36 pm to
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You didn’t know both are members of the same species? Son that’s basic biology.


OK, so biology isn't your only issue. You also know frick all about English.

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True. I don’t believe killing someone who has committed no crime is ok. You do.


Nope.

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Actually it doesn’t. I’ve not argued of a concept of “personhood”. You introduced that, in the hopes it would help your argument or change its direction.

Hint: it doesn’t


There's that English coming to get you again...

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some·one
pronoun

1.
an unknown or unspecified person; some person.
"there's someone at the door"


Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
45272 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:39 pm to
This baby was born weighing less than one pound.

And lived.


Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
20916 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:41 pm to
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Yep antiscience.
That to me is the funniest thing about liberals.

Hit them with a scientific fact, impossible to disprove “that’s not real science” is the reply. They won’t be able to quantify what is, but you just have to be wrong because they don’t like it.
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
20916 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:43 pm to
And when a liberal has no argument against the facts

“Your grammar is bad”

I never claimed to be an English major, by and large I’ve found them to be utterly useless.

I’m guessing that was your major.
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14944 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:46 pm to
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They should just be honest and admit that they refuse to take responsibility for their own actions.

It's the old responsibility for their actions routine.

In about what percentage of the time does the use of, or attempt to use, a condom fail to prevent a pregnancy?
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:47 pm to
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And when a liberal has no argument against the facts


....aaaaaand here we go with the "if you don't see things my way, you're a liberal" shite.

Pathetic.

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“Your grammar is bad”


It isn't about grammar. Words have meaning if you want useful discussion. You've specifically framed your argument, even if unintentionally, that personhood begins immediately at conception.

It doesn't, and there's your gap.

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I never claimed to be an English major, by and large I’ve found them to be utterly useless.

I’m guessing that was your major.


You guessed wrong. English is one of those things you can do well, even without a college education.
This post was edited on 9/29/22 at 7:48 pm
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
45272 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:47 pm to
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In about what percentage of the time does the use of, or attempt to use, a condom fail to prevent a pregnancy?

Then DON’T. HAVE. SEX.
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
20916 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:53 pm to
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You've specifically framed your argument, even if unintentionally, that personhood begins immediately at conception. It doesn't, and there's your gap.
Except of course, I specifically defined them as individual members of the same species. I’m sure you didn’t miss that, just hoped to ignore it.

You liberals have tried to redefine value in the species by whom is “a person”

Non-person. Now where have we heard that phrase used, and what was the justification….
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:57 pm to
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Except of course, I specifically defined them as individual members of the same species. I’m sure you didn’t miss that, just hoped to ignore it.


That's nice.

Regardless, multiple times, you used wording that makes my point about personhood clear.

That's why you say things like "killing babies" when referring to aborting a zygote or embryo.

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You liberals


Like I said...pathetic.
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14944 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:58 pm to
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In about what percentage of the time does the use of, or attempt to use, a condom fail to prevent a pregnancy?

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Then DON’T. HAVE. SEX.

I think it's compelling that none of you anti-abortion screamers seem to be aware of the fact that the anti- abortion movement in the U.S. was started as the result of a political ploy by Republicans, and supported by Evangelicals -- to get Reagan elected.
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
20916 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:58 pm to
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It's the old responsibility for their actions routine. In about what percentage of the time does the use of, or attempt to use, a condom fail to prevent a pregnancy?
What is the goal of intercourse?

Not your goal, my goal or anyone else’s. The biological nature of the act is reproduction. If you ignore that very basic fact of biology, you deserve exactly what you get, intent non withstanding.

Don’t want a child, don’t depend on an option with a pretty significant failure rate.
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