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re: The Islamic State - estab. June 29, 2014
Posted on 6/29/14 at 2:13 pm to Decatur
Posted on 6/29/14 at 2:13 pm to Decatur
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Given the massive success and name recognition given to ISIS recently, there could be a small chance they all say f@ck it and just roll with it. The next few days project to be pretty interesting.
Agree but I think the other groups will be resistant and they will all start killing each other.
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Posted on 6/29/14 at 2:19 pm to Paluka
The artist known as Abu Bakr is playing his last card. It may look like a bold maneuver for a few months, but come January he will have the baathist sunnis, the kurds and the shia against him and he will fail to bring an Islamic state to Iraq for the 2nd time.
What a glorious way to go down though.
What a glorious way to go down though.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 2:20 pm to Paluka
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Agree but I think the other groups will be resistant and they will all start killing each other.
I can't decide if this is good or bad. I'm going with good for now.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 2:23 pm to MrCarton
And when he is killed??
Posted on 6/29/14 at 2:26 pm to MrCarton
Interesting articl in Boston Globe today - The Surprising Appeal of ISIS.
LINK
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As a result, ISIS has won support, or at least acceptance, from people who would never identify as extremists. “They’re in control, and they’re no worse than the regime,” said one engineer named Abdullah. He was speaking at the bus station in Kilis, Turkey, where he had brought his family to escape regime bombing in Aleppo. Some of his relatives lived in ISIS-controlled areas, others under the Assad regime, and some, like Abdullah himself, under the less virulently Islamist Free Syrian Army. Abdullah said he didn’t share the views of ISIS but didn’t mind them either. “Their rules are clear. If they leave people alone, it’s not so bad.”
LINK
Posted on 6/29/14 at 2:32 pm to GRITS79
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My brother has an SKS. Is that what's in that top pic in the article?
No the pic is an AK47
I hope the Russians, Chinese and Iranians all jump into that fire and we stay the hell out! Maybe Obama will actually make a good foreign policy decision for once!
Hopefully this starts an in-house holy war and they kill each other off and become a drain on someone else’s economy.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 2:35 pm to baybeefeetz
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And when he is killed??
I don't know. What I do know is that whether or not he is killed means almost nothing. What matters is his access to new recruits.
Iraq will have to settle this by winning the non-violent media and popular war and they will only do that through mutual cooperation between the Sunnis, Kurds and the Baghdad Mafia. Abu Bakr just made that a whole lot easier to swallow for all concerned parties.
What I like most about this is that in one second Abu Bakr just destroyed 90% of his recruitment base and no amount of school building will force people to accept his claim to the caliphate.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 2:37 pm to Navtiger1
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No the pic is an AK47
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I hope the Russians, Chinese and Iranians all jump into that fire and we stay the hell out! Maybe Obama will actually make a good foreign policy decision for once!
Agreed!!
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Hopefully this starts an in-house holy war and they kill each other off and become a drain on someone else’s economy
I agree with this as well.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 2:38 pm to MrCarton
quote:What if Odrama drones his arse, will it matter then?
What I do know is that whether or not he is killed means almost nothing.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 2:38 pm to Navtiger1
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I hope the Russians, Chinese and Iranians all jump into that fire and we stay the hell out! Maybe Obama will actually make a good foreign policy decision for once!
He is off to a good start already. I honestly don't think our involvement will go much beyond adviser roles.
The amazing part is that our DOD will now have the ability to talk directly with some of our competing nations in Iran and Russia. I really hope we take full advantage.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 2:42 pm to Jbird
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What if Odrama drones his arse, will it matter then?
Yeah I think that does matter, because then we will have created consequences that we aren't prepared to deal with. If we take him out ourselves we damn well better know the socio/political situation in Iraq and Syria can handle that and I know that we do not have a handle of that kind of atmospheric right now.
It would be foolish for America to zap this dude because there is no upside to getting him. We just make him a martyr and possibly exapand his recruiting pool.
If we don't get him, then he will keep pissing off his recruiting pool and motivating the Sunnis, Kurds and Baghdad Mafia to cooperate even if it is brief.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 2:45 pm to MrCarton
quote:All the more reason the Idiot in Chief will pull the trigger.
It would be foolish for America to zap this dude because there is no upside to getting him. We just make him a martyr and possibly exapand his recruiting pool.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 3:00 pm to Jbird
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Baghdadi has been named Caliph was particularly controversial. He told The Independent: “There hasn’t been a Caliph since the Ottoman Empire, and the Caliph is appointed as the only legitimate successor to Prophet Mohammed.” “The fact that Isis has done this has huge ideological and theological implications
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What I do know is that whether or not he is killed means almost nothing.
What if Odrama drones his arse, will it matter then?
Y'all are bat shite crazy.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 3:02 pm to themunch
quote:Well a fair question considering the Idiot in Chief loves to drone people, frick he bragged about it, that's bat shite crazy.
Y'all are bat shite crazy.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 3:04 pm to Jbird
True. But we can't ignore the additional complexities that name/title brings to the matter. Nor can we ignore the recruiting opportunities and zealousness of new recruits. It's like they just got Nick Saban. It's a different game now.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 3:05 pm to Jbird
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All the more reason the Idiot in Chief will pull the trigger.
I am really hopeful so far. Maybe years of getting beat down with stupidity have made me think there is no more stupid left in our tank. I think he was probably smart to allow the advisers to go in, and he will be even smarter to maintain the smallest footprint possible.
It would be foolish to drone the crap out of Iraq. US Citizens hate drones and we aren't even routinely attacked by them (Yet lol). Imagine what some dirt poor Sunni teenagers thinks about it. They are a terrorist recruiting wet dream.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 3:07 pm to MrCarton
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I think he was probably smart to allow the advisers to go in, and he will be even smarter to maintain the smallest footprint possible.
This
Posted on 6/29/14 at 3:11 pm to MrCarton
[quote]Maybe years of getting beat down with stupidity have made me think there is no more stupid left in our tank. [/quote
Quote of the day.
Quote of the day.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 3:13 pm to LSUGrrrl
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True. But we can't ignore the additional complexities that name/title brings to the matter. Nor can we ignore the recruiting opportunities and zealousness of new recruits. It's like they just got Nick Saban. It's a different game now.
I have to disagree. Our MSM will lap this up and regurgitate it every single day. They will somehow correlate every act of violence on earth with the new "caliphate" and Americans go insane with fear.
The reality is that this dude has potentially made a lot of people's lives much worse, or at least he is claiming credit for it. Now he is claiming Caliphate status and a LOT of people in his recruitment pool are not going to go along with that garbage.
He cannot be considered Nick Saban to the Sunnis until he governs successfully and to do that he has to sit at the table. He failed to do it in 2005 and was rejected by his own people and rolled up by the Americans. Now he has declared his preseason championship (like Oregon), and will be laughed at come January (insert football reference here).
Just My Opinion.
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