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re: The decline of religious faith in America and what that means for our future
Posted on 9/15/22 at 12:47 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 9/15/22 at 12:47 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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You didn't demonstrate that in your post
I never demanded a theocracy
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Posted on 9/15/22 at 12:49 pm to Revelator
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I never demanded a theocracy
That wasn't my assertion.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 12:50 pm to Revelator
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Your mistake is thinking you must understand all of God’s decisions and motivations in order to make it just.
This....
There are all sorts of perplexing questions that men face during their lifetimes.
Egotistical people need an answer in black and white, while wise men understand that the struggle with unanswerable questions is part of the journey.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 12:50 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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He said influences.
You said “imposition”
The distinction is irrelevant to the point, and the emphasis wasn't accidental.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 12:50 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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That wasn't my assertion.
So what is your assertion
Posted on 9/15/22 at 12:51 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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That wasn't my assertion.
You think you are saying something that you aren’t. Everyone else is reading it differently, and it’s not because you are the most intelligent person in the room
Posted on 9/15/22 at 12:52 pm to Revelator
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So what is your assertion
The claim that this country was founded in objective morality based on religion is bullshite.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 12:53 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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You think you are saying something that you aren’t. Everyone else is reading it differently, and it’s not because you are the most intelligent person in the room
You've conflated things as simple as objective morality and objective truth. You're in no position to dictate anything.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 12:53 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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The distinction is irrelevant to the point
It’s the most relevant and important part of your statement, but you have effectively changed the argument again.
I’ll repeat the original disagreement: Do you think the founding fathers believed morality was objective or subjective?
Posted on 9/15/22 at 12:55 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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It’s the most relevant and important part of your statement
It's completely irrelevant to the point.
That's why, yet again, you want to move away from the topic.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 12:55 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Do you think the founders believed that morality is objective or subjective?
people used to wonder how many angels could dance on the head of a pin.
its immaterial how many signers of the declaration believed morality is subjective. not many. Jefferson. so what?
judge quoted by a justice in the roe decision burned women at the stake for wrong views on life.
since a significant plurality now see the bible as a work of fiction its outrageous to force that fiction on the body politic.
This post was edited on 9/15/22 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 9/15/22 at 12:56 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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You've conflated things as simple as objective morality and objective truth.
When I say objective truth in the context of this thread I mean objective morality…. That there is objective right and wrong and it can’t be disputed.
You can act like that’s a win for you but it’s not, you are just using it as an excuse to dodge the question because you know and we all know without a shadow of a doubt the founders believed in objective morality.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 12:57 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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When I say objective truth in the context of this thread I mean objective morality
That's fine, but that's not what that actually means.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 12:58 pm to CelticDog
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people used to wonder how many angels could dance on the head of a pin.
Nowadays Democrats can't define "woman"....who are the bigger fools?
Posted on 9/15/22 at 1:00 pm to CelticDog
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people used to wonder how many angels could dance on the head of a pin. its immaterial how many signers of the declaration believed morality is subjective. not many. Jefferson. so what? judge quoted by a justice in the roe decision burned women at the stake for wrong views on life. since a significant plurality now see the bible as a work of fiction its outrageous to run a nation according to translations of texts.
Has nothing to do with the argument
He said objective morality doesn’t exist
I said he is able to say that from the comfort of a country that gives him that right because it was founded on objective moral principles
He then said the country was founded on secularism.
He’s trying to say I’m wrong by arguing a different point
Posted on 9/15/22 at 1:03 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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The claim that this country was founded in objective morality based on religion is bull shite.
Well, we will just have to disagree on this point
Posted on 9/15/22 at 1:03 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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That's fine, but that's not what that actually means.
That’s fine, keep dodging the question at the root of the original argument
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The claim that this country was founded in objective morality based on religion is bull shite.
What an asinine claim. Where is your proof?
This post was edited on 9/15/22 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 9/15/22 at 1:03 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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founders believed in objective morality.
yep. does that mean we re trapped for all time in a false teaching?
religious faith has gone because the teaching is nonsense. no virgin birth.
you cannot escape your karmas by belief in a story.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 1:05 pm to CelticDog
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trapped for all time in a false teaching
Prove it.
Prove it is false.
Prove God does not exist.
We will all be waiting.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 1:08 pm to CelticDog
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yep. does that mean we re trapped for all time in a false teaching? religious faith has gone because the teaching is nonsense. no virgin birth. you cannot escape your karmas by belief in a story.
I’m not even arguing that
I’m simply saying that his freedom to believe what he wants exists because the founders believed in the objective moral principle of freedom.
They believed that right came from God. They said so very plainly and directly. So yes they believed in objective moral truth. That was the original argument. Cuckeye just likes to change the subject.
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