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re: The "Church" of England
Posted on 3/31/26 at 12:17 am to Champagne
Posted on 3/31/26 at 12:17 am to Champagne
quote:Where did that quote come from?
After he heard that Zwingli died, Luther said "he deserved to die for being theologically wrong." That's a rather violent kind of disdain.
In Luther's Table Talk, he referred to Zwingi's death as divine judgement, which was common back then, since they interpreted everything in light of God's providence. Zwingli died in battle, and Luther seemed to have disagreed with a minister fighting in battle like that. He said that he took the sword and died by it. Luther was harsh with his words for everyone he was critical of, and he believed that Zwingli's position on the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist was wrong and blasphemous, but Luther still complimented him several times, including praising his opposition to the Papacy. Luther even called him a brave man in his death in one of his sermons, due to Zwingli's brave opposition to Rome.
So no, they didn't have a "violent" disagreement, at least not as you were portraying it. Luther reportedly smashed his fists on the table during his debate with Zwingli, highlighting Christ's words about His body, but a strong disagreement wasn't "violent".
quote:Not at all. Calvin and the city council of Geneva clashed over the role of the state and the church. Calvin taught that the church and state should work together, but have different spheres of authority. In particular, he taught that the church should have the authority to bar people from the Lord's Supper and other ecclesiastical censures while the council thought the state (itself) should have that authority over the church.
And your contention that Calvin was kicked out the country because of some secular govt administrative issues is a bit of a distortion: Calvin was kicked out because he had established a dictatorial Theocratic Regime in which the Govt punished by criminal law all deviation from Calvin's Personal Theology.
The claims that Calvin was a tyrant that created a tyrannical government is laughable. It's also hypocritical coming from a Catholic, when during that time, the Catholic church had control over all the Catholic territories and used its power to persecute Protestants as heretics.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 6:27 am to Night Vision
I want a hat like she’s wearing. Of course nothing says cool like a pope hat
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